Friday, May 27, 2011

Muslim at youtube winnertakeall1 can be rather cunning but still got trapped by his own lies

WTA's IQ is below average.

WTA wrote:
Earlier you quoted....
Quran [19:33] (Jesus said) "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!
[19:34] Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

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Please advise whose translation you had quoted where, mention ( Jesus said ) ?
If you unable quote the name of the translator, then,
that means on your own initiative and belief, you had " added "...... ( Jesus said )

Hear O' cheeky Positron66 !
Why are you now contradicting your own beliefs..... eh ?

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REBUTTAL

The request from WTA to clarify as to who insert the word "Jesus said" is redundant as you have failed to prove that "Jesus" in Sura 19:34 was translated from "Yah'shua, Yehoshua, Yeshua, Y'shua". But the Arabic word is EESA which was mistranslated to "JESUS".

All these Quran Translations have "Jesus" as the speaker for Sura 19:33 which is re-affirmed in Sura 19:34 as follows:-

1. Khalifa
THAT was Jesus, the son of Mary, and this is the truth of this matter, about which they continue to doubt.

2. Yusuf Ali
SUCH (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

3. Pickthal
SUCH was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt.

4. Shakir
SUCH is Isa, son of Marium; (this is) the saying of truth about which they dispute.

5. Sher Ali
THAT was Jesus, son of Mary. This is a statement of the truth concerning which they entertain doubt.

Messiah Yahshua declared: John 8:46 "Which of you convinceth me of sin?"

The Holy Scriptures have many verses to support the words of Messiah Yahshua that there is "no sin" in Him at all. How about Muhammad, is he without sin???

Messiah Yahshua declared:
John 8:46 "Which of you convinceth me of sin?"


Supporting Word of Yah'weh Elohim:

Isa 53:4  Surely He hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of Elohim, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5  But He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:6  All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and YHWH hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
Isa 53:7  He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Isa 53:8  He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Isa 53:9  And He made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because He had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
COMMENT:
1. "He had done no violence" - The precise sense of the expression is, that he had not by harsh and injurious conduct provoked them to treat him in this manner, or deserved this treatment at their hands. In accordance with this, and evidently with this passage in his eye, the apostle Peter says of the Lord Jesus, 'who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth' 1Pe_2:20-22.
2. "Neither was any deceit in his mouth" - He was no deceiver, though he was regarded and treated as one. He was perfectly candid and sincere, perfectly true and holy. No one can doubt but this was exactly fulfilled in the Lord Jesus; and however it may be accounted for, it was true to the life, and it is applicable to him alone. Of what other dweller on the earth can it be said that there was no guile found in his mouth? Who else has lived who has always been perfectly free from deceit?

Isa 53:10  Yet it pleased YHWH to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of YHWH shall prosper in his hand.
Isa 53:11  He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Isa 53:12  Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.


(2Cor 5:21)  For He hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of YHWH in him.

(1Peter 2:22)  Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

(1John 1:8)  If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
(1John 3:5)  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

Hebrew 4:15  For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Hebrew 9:28  So the Messiah was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.


As long as the law of Yah'weh exists, the sin remains and reigns in the descendants of Adam.
Romans 7:8  "... For without the law, sin was dead."


But Yahshua has no sin because He did not originate from Adam but from Yahweh Elohim.
1Co 15:45  And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46  Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Cor 15:47  The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is Yahu'shua from heaven.
1Cor 15:48  As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.


Messiah Yahshua said men were from this world but He was not of this world; anyone who did not believe in His words will die in sins!
John 8:23  And He said unto them, "Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world."
John 8:24  I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.


There is only ONE WAY to Yahweh the Father in Heaven:
John 14:6  Yahushua saith unto him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Messiah Yahshua declared the He was the DOOR to His Father in Heaven.

John 10:2  But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
John 10:7  Then said Yahushua unto them again, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the DOOR of the sheep."
John 10:9  I am the DOOR: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

COMMENT: The DOOR means SINGLE DOOR and not  DOORS; so there is no other way to enter the Kingdom of Heaven except through accepting Yah'shua into your life as your personal Lord and Saviour.

John 6:38  "For I came down from Heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of HIM that sent ME."
COMMENT: Yahweh the Father sent Yahshua the Son into the world to accomplish the mission of His salvation plan for mankind.


John 6:39  And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40  And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

PLEASE PRAY TO INVITE MESSIAH YAHSHUA INTO YOUR LIFE TODAY:

"Dear Yah'weh Father of your Son Yah'shua, I confess that I am a sinner and ask for your forgiveness of all my sins that I have committed from the day I was born. I plead the precious Blood of Yahshua shed on the Cross to cleanse all my sins and unrighteousness. Right now, I invite the Holy Spirit of Yahweh to come into my heart and dwell inside me to grant me a new life and lead me in the path of truth. In the mighty name of Yahshua, I pray. Thank you Yah'weh for granting me the grace and faith to believe in your holy Son Yahshua from this day forth. Amen."



Response to Muslim at youtube winnertakeall1 -- "Noble Qur'an did not say that Jesus had died"???

Is this really true: "Noble Qur'an did not say that Jesus had died"???

The answer to the words of Muslim WTA depends solely on whom you really believe whether you believe in the words of Messiah Yahshua (Jesus) as written in the ancient Khabouris Codex dated around 165AD or another person called Eesa, not Yahshua, in the Quran of which the oldest Sana'a manuscript dated around 715AD, which has no eye-witness to the historical events that happened to Messiah Yahshua who lived around 3BC till AD33.

First of all, WTA has failed to establish that Eesa in the Quran, is the same person as Yah'shua commonly called "Jesus" by the Christians today.
Secondly, WTA has failed to prove that Eesa did not say "I was DEAD" when Sura 4:157 is not the spoken words of Eesa himself.
WTA has absolutely failed to prove nothing but projecting his own words into the mouth of the holy Messiah Yah'shua by deception about "his Second Coming" in Sura 19:33.


Legend:
XXX = Winnetakeall1 (WTA)
+++ = Positron

Quote from Muslim WTA:
I am going to apply the most simplest form of grammar for past tense, present tense and future present tense.
Please ask your nine year old kid to check and verify..... ok ?

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XXX Quote from WTA:
Yusuf Ali's Translation : Noble Qur'an 19 : 33
01). " So peace is on me the day I was born,
The word " was " means past tense. That means the birth of Jesus was passed !
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REBUTTAL
Please prove that Eesa in Arabic is Yahshua in Hebrew before you can equate it as the spoken words of Yahshua (Jesus). Failing to produce 4 credible witnesses will prove that you are a liar rather than a credible witness. The principle of the Law in Deuteronomy 19:15 & Matthew 18:16 shall apply: "At the mouth of 2 or 3 credible witnesses every word shall be established."

If you think that the words in the Quran - Sura 24:11-15 is about the charge of adultery or fornication against a chaste woman, then think about it whether the lie against Yahshua (Jesus) of saying something like "So peace is on me the day I was born" could be justified if in reality that someone else called "Eesa" had spoken it and not Yahshua the Son of Yahweh Elohim???

XXX Quote from WTA:
02). the day that I " die ",
The phrase " the day that I " die " means in future tense.
Note : If Jesus had earlier been dead and resurrected , Jesus would have said....
" the day that I " d i e d "
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REBUTTAL: When "Eesa", not Yahshua was speaking the "prophecy", he was still a babe in the cradle as told in Sura 19:29. So how could Eesa say "the day that I died" when it was a prophecy of his near future in his life-time??? If it was an event AFTER his life-time, then it was a false prophecy because Eesa was speaking the words as a single prophecy and not in 3 parts of his life-time in the future AFTER his 2nd coming. There is not a single word in the verse which speaks "when I come again, the day that I die". So it is absolutely wrong to insert the words "When I come again" into the interpretation of the words of a person called "Esa", not "Yahshua".


Sura 19:28 (Yusuf Ali) "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!"
[19:29] But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"
[19:30] He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;
[19:31] "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;
[19:32] "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;
[19:33] "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!
[19:34] Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

Challenge to WTA:
Please produce a verse from the Holy Bible the oldest Greek or Aramaic Text that Messiah Yahshua said "I am indeed a servant of Allah". Allah in Sanskrit means "goddess", not god. Did Yahshua speak Sanskrit or Arabic "Allah" and not Hebrew "El"???

Matt 27:46 And about the ninth hour Yahu'shua cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My Elohim, my Elohim, why hast thou forsaken me?

The words of Messiah Yahshua have refuted the lies of the scribe who wrote Sura 19:28-34 because Yah'shua called His Father as "My Elohim" or "My Father" because He had said earlier that "Elohim was His Father" based on His idiom in John 8:54 & John 5:17.

John 8:54 Yahushua answered, "If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is My Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that He is your Elohim"

John 5:17 But Yahu'shua answered them, "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work."
John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the Sabbath, but said also that Elohim was His Father, making himself equal with Elohim.

Fulfilled prophecy:
Jeremiah 8:8 "How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of YHWH is with us? Lo, certainly the lying pen of the scribes hath made it falsehood."

Note: The scribe of the Quran has twisted the words of Yahshua in the Holy Bible and made it into a lie about another person called "Eesa". Yahshua called His Father "Elohim" which is YHWH to the Jews and "My Father" to the Son of YHWH. Yahshua never uttered "Allah" in His life-time on earth. So it is a lie of Satan that Yah'shua had uttered "I am indeed a servant of Allah" Lie, lie, lie!!!



XXX Quote from WTA:
03). and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!
This phrase is also meant to be in future tense where,
after completing his mission in his second coming, Jesus will die and,
Jesus will be brought back to life again .
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REBUTTAL: Please show us the original Arabic Text which has the words of "After completing his mission in his second coming"??? The prophecy of Eesa has nothing to do with Yashua and has nothing to do with "his second coming" because there is not a single word about "his second coming" in Sura 19:33.


Let's take a look at the similar words of Zechar-Yah about his son John the Baptist (Yahya).
[019:010] (Zakariya) said: "O my Lord! give me a Sign." "Thy Sign," was the answer,
"Shall be that thou shalt speak to no man for three nights, although thou
art not dumb."
[019:011] So Zakariya came out to his people from him chamber: He told them by signs
to celebrate Allah's praises in the morning and in the evening:
[019:012] "O Yahya! take hold of the Book with
might": and We gave him Wisdom even as a youth,
[019:013] And piety (for all creatures) as from Us, and purity: He was devout,
[019:014] And kind to his parents, and he was not overbearing or rebellious.
[019:015] So Peace on him the day he was born, the day that he dies, and the day that
he will be raised up to life (again)!

By comparing the words of Eesa and the words of Zechar-Yah (Zakariya), we can see that the life of John the Baptist will be a foreshadow for Messiah Yah'shua. As John the Baptist was born about 6 months older than Messiah Yah'shua, Prophet John the Baptist and Messiah Yah'shua shared the same destiny in their life-time.

[019:015] (Yahya's life:) "So Peace on him the day he was born, the day that he dies, and the day that he will be raised up to life (again)"
[19:33] (Eesa's life;) "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!

QUESTIONS:

1) Did Prophet John the Baptist escape "Death" in his life-time???
No, he was beheaded and DIED on the spot in the prison and his body was buried.

Mat 14:6 But when Herod's birthday was kept, the daughter of Herodias danced before them, and pleased Herod.
Mat 14:7 Whereupon he promised with an oath to give her whatsoever she would ask.
Mat 14:8 And she, being before instructed of her mother, said, Give me here John Baptist's head in a charger.
Mat 14:9 And the king was sorry: nevertheless for the oath's sake, and them which sat with him at meat, he commanded it to be given her.
Mat 14:10 And he sent, and beheaded John in the prison.
Mat 14:11 And his head was brought in a charger, and given to the damsel: and she brought it to her mother.
Mat 14:12 And his disciples came, and took up the body, and buried it, and went and told Yahushua.

Likewise what was foretold about Prophet John the Baptist would also befall upon Eesa, son of Mary sister of Aaron but not another Mary from the daughters of Aaron. The word "sister" is only used if both Mary and Aaron lived at the same period of time and of the same parents -- both father and mother.


2) Was Prophet John the Baptist raised to heaven secretly without any eye-witness about his resurrection and ascension to heaven???
No, God is not a deceiver nor does he tempt anyone with deceit. If God has intended to raise John the Baptist in his lifetime, He would have said so openly in the Holy Scripture. If God has intended to cause John the Baptist to "ascend into the heaven", He would have sent 2 credible witnesses to record about the incident in the Holy Scripture. When there is no word from YHWH about "raise" John the Baptist from his dead, it is best to avoid saying he was raised to heaven.

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of YHWH: "For YHWH cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man"

God gave His law on 2 or 3 credible witnesses so that every word shall be establised by eye-witness and not by vision. Read the Law of YHWH.

Deu 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.


As every one can read that "two or three witnesses" means 2 or 3 persons who have seen or heard about the event who live at the time of the event. There is no provision for "visions" to be used as evidence since it does not meet the requirement of the Law both in the context of the Holy Scripture and even in today's Court of laws!!!

Take a good look at Quran Sura 24:11-15 and understand that there is no provision for "visions" to be used as a valid witnesss against a chaste woman. What more do you need for a chaste man like Messiah Yahshua who committed no sin in his life-time on earth?

Sura 24:11 (Pickthal)
Lo! they who spread the slander are a gang among you. Deem it not a bad thing for you; nay, it is good for you. Unto every man of them (will be paid) that which he hath earned of the sin; and as for him among them who had the greater share therein, his will be an awful doom.
COMMENT: To spread the slander about the chaste woman or about holy Yahshua is a serious sin and every person who is part of the gang will be personally accountable. The great liars with a "greater share therein" will be an awful doom!!!

Sura 24:13 (Pickthal)
Why did they not produce four witnesses ? Since they produce not witnesses, they verily are liars in the sight of Allah.
COMMENT: To spread the lie about Yahshua did not die on the Cross is an awful sin because he or she does not have 4 credible witnesses to support his or her assertion!

Sura 24:15 (Pickthal)
When ye welcomed it with your tongues, and uttered with your mouths that whereof ye had no knowledge, ye counted it a trifle. In the sight of Allah it is very great.
COMMENT: It may seem to be trifle to spread the lie about Messiah Yahshua did not die on the Cross but Yah'weh (YHWH) will not leave the guilty unpunished (acquit the wicked eg. lying tongues, murderers, idolaters).

Nahum 1:3 YHWH is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all ACQUIT THE WICKED: YHWH hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.

Job 10:14 "If I sin, then thou markest me, and thou wilt not ACQUIT me from mine iniquity."


Messiah Yahshua said "every useless word" must be given account on the Day of Judgment. If anyone lied against Yahshua that He did not die on the Cross, then he or she must prove it by the spoken words of Yahshua in the Holy Gospel. Failing to prove it, the sin of such lie will not be forgiven at all. The Law says "YHWH is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all ACQUIT THE WICKED" because the liars have not repented before he or she died. So how could this sin of lying about Yahshua be forgiven on the Day of Judgment???

Mat 12:36 But I (Yahshua) say unto you, "That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."


The Law of Yahweh is:
Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."

Obviously "bear false witness" is a violation of God's law. To bear false witness that Messiah Yahshua did not die is a great sin against Him because he or she not only did not believe in the words of Messiah Yahshua but challenge the truth of His spoken words! Any person who do not challenge the words of Messiah Yahshua are not called the sons or daughters of the Devil - John 8:44.

John 8:41 (Yahshua said;) "Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even Elohim.
John 8:42 Yahushua said unto them, If Elohim were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from Elohim; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.


XXX Quote from WTA:
Note : All human beings will die once on this earth and on Judgement Day will be brought back to life again !
Noble Qur'an 2 : 28
How can ye reject the faith in God ?- seeing that ye were without life, and
He gave you life; then
will He cause you to die, and
will again bring you to life;
and again to Him will ye return.
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REBUTTAL:
Please produce 3 credible witnesses that the written words in Sura 2:28 was spoken by Allah and not of the scribe who had learned it from the Holy Bible or other scriptures. The idea of "all human beings will die once on this earth" is not an original message from the Quran as the Holy Bible has it written over 500 years before Quran was written.

Hebrew 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the Judgment: So the Messiah was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

If you WTA, have believed that "all human beings will die once on this earth" then you must have lied by saying that Eesa had not died unless you believe that Eesa was not a human being. If Eesa was not a human, then he must be Divine or God. So which ones is the right answer from the back of your mind or from the bottom of your heart???


XXX Quote from WTA:
Hello Mister Positron,
can you see the word sequence...... without life, life, die, life... !
So !
Noble Qur'an did not say that Jesus had " died " .......ok, mr positron66 ?
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REBUTTAL:

What is the association of the words of Quran 2:28 as compared to the words of Eesa in Quran 19:33??? Did Eesa say about "life, life, die, life" in sequence as compared to Quran 2:28???

Sura 19:33 says about "life, die, life" only as seen here: "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)". Eesa, not Yahshua, spoke of his 3 days in his life-time: 1) "the day" of his birth - "I was born";
2) "the day" of his death - "that I die";
3) "the day" of his resurrection - "raised up to life"


The sequence of the life-time of Eesa was foretold in the Quran as follows:-
Sura 3:55 (Yusuf Ali)
Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and RAISE thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee SUPERIOR to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

Sura 3:55 (Sher Ali)
Remember the time when Allah said' `O Jesus, I will cause thee to die a natural death and will RAISE thee to Myself, and will clear thee of the charges of those who disbelieve, and will EXALT those who follow thee above those who disbelieve, until the Day of Resurrection; then to ME shall be your return, and I will judge between you concerning that wherein you differ.


The Oxford English Dictionary defines "raise" as "bring (someone) back from death": God raised Jesus from the dead
Source:
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/raise

The word "raise" does not mean ascend to heaven; despite of the multiple meanings of the word "raise" it is not used to mean "ascend to heaven" in any of the other meanings given by the Oxford English Dictionary. Secondly, those who follow Eesa will be exalted or superior than those who reject the faith of his death, resurrection and ascension.


Both these Quran Translators used the word "raise" to mean " bring back from the death".
1. Yusuf Ali (Quran 4:157-158)
Nay, God RAISED him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise;
And there is NONE of the People of the Book but must believe in HIM BEFORE HIS DEATH; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them

2. Khalifa (Quran 4:157-158)
"Instead, God RAISED him to Him; God is Almighty, Most Wise.
Everyone among the People of the Scripture was required to believe in HIM BEFORE HIS DEATH. On the Day of Resurrection, He will be a witness against them.

Based on Khalifa Translation, everyone was required to believe in Eesa BEFORE His Death and He would a witness against those who disbelieve on the Day of Resurrection of the DEAD. As there is not a single word of Eesa about his second coming, then the only logical explanation is that HE HAD DIED IN HIS LIFE-TIME.

If "EVERYONE" must believe in EESA before HIS DEATH after completing his work in His 2nd Coming, then whom would he be fighting against as there are no infidels on earth to fight for. To understand the words in the Quran correctly: "Everyone among the People of the Scripture was required to believe in HIM BEFORE HIS DEATH.", it means the Apostles of Yahshua did not yet understand the words of Yahshua about His Death and Resurrection - BEFORE His Death.

John 20:9 "For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead."


Where the Qur'an is unclear regarding Yahshua (Jesus), it is obviously best to consult the Holy Inji-l as the Qur'an advises:
"And if thou art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee.." (Sura Yunus 10:94)

If we do as the Qur'an instructs and ask those who read the Inji-l, then all doubt is removed. We come to understand not only the fact of Jesus' death and resurrection and how it occurred, but also why he DIED - why it was God's plan from ages past to have him die on the Cross.


Matt 17:22 And while they abode in Galilee, Yahushua said unto them, "The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:
Matt 17:23 And they shall KILL him, and the third day he shall be raised again." And they were exceeding sorry.

John 10:35 Messiah Yahshua said "...the Scripture cannot be broken" which means none of His spoken words will fail to be fulfilled in his life-time.


There are at least 4 credible witnesses near the Cross of Yahshua namely (1) Mary mother of Yahshua, (2) Mary the wife of Cleophas (3) Mary Magdalene and (4) Apostle John the disciple whom Yahshua loved:
John 19:25 Now there stood by the stake of Yahushua his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
John 19:26 When Yahushua therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!


These 4 credible eye-witnesses saw and heard from Messiah Yahshua who was crucified on the Cross at Golgotha in Jerusalem city:

John 19:30 When Yahushua therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the spirit.
John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the stake on the Sabbath day, (for that Sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
John 19:32 Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.
John 19:33 But when they came to Yahushua, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
John 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
John 19:35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.

The author of the Gospel was Apostle John as "he that saw it bare record and his record is true".

So where are the 4 credible witnesses of Muslims who saw and heard from Messiah Yahshua that he said "I had not died"????


REFUTED the blatant lie of WTA:

Messiah Yahshua said:
Rev 1:18 "I am he that liveth, and was DEAD; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, amein; and have the keys of hell and of death."

Yahshua said "I AM THE DOOR..." John 10:9


Quote from WTA Muslim:
If you believe in what you wrote above, then,

please answer these questions......

1. Did Yah'shua create his mother ?
Answer: No, Mary came by reproduction from her parents. Yah'shua directly created Adam and Eve and blessed them with ability to reproduce babies - sons and daughters. Yahweh El only re-creates the Earth to be habitable in 4 days. By the 5th day Yahweh El started to create the living creatures that fly in the sky, that swims in the waters and that moves on the earth. By the 6th day Yahweh El created the first man Adam and later a woman from his rib.

Genesis 1:27  So Elohim created man in his own image, in the image of Elohim created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 1:31  And Elohim saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

Genesis 2:2  And on the seventh day Elohim ended his work which he had made; and he ceased (H7673 Shabath) on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Sabbath Day means the Day Yahweh ended his creation works and ceased from creating every day! If Yahweh still creates man and woman every day, He is no longer Almighty because the truly Almighty El says a "Word" and it keeps going on "Auto-Pilot" system in accordance with the divine laws of Yahweh.

Does Yahweh have to rotate the Earth every day??? Does Yahweh have to cause the sun to rise every morning??? No, likewise the "creation database" is stored in the DNA. That is how scientists can play "God" by making test-tube babies! If scientists who made test-tube babies from human's sperm and egg are called "created new babies", then should scientists be called God since only God creates something out of nothing!!! To use human's sperm and egg for fertilization outside the mother's womb and to implant it later into the womb, cannot be termed as "created by God", right??? Likewise the effort of man and woman coming together to produce a new baby is not a creation but a reproduction!

Yah'shua and Yahweh gives the soul to form every new life. Yah'shua does not have to create every human being because His power is so great that He has stored the creation data of new being inside the DNA.


2. Did Yah'shua impregnate his mother ?
Answer: No, Yahshua came into her mother's womb as a Trinity Elohim in the Flesh. "Impregnate" involves fertilization of sperm and egg of Mary. "Incarnation" involves "Elohim becoming Flesh or feotus". Yah'shua came by incarnation and not by impregnation!

Messiah Yah'shua said "I came out from Elohim":
John 16:27 "For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from Elohim." RNKJV

Messiha Yah'shua existed together with His Father Yah'weh as He shared the same Glory of His Father before the world was created: "The Glory which I HAD with Thee BEFORE the world existed."
John 17:5  "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."


3. Did Yah'shua "fertilize " his seed inside his mother's womb ?
Answer: No, by incarnation and not by impregnation.

Incarnation is a single process of transforming from spiritual "Logos" into a physical being. Based on Oxford English Dictionary, "incarnation" is defined as:
…(in Christian theology) the embodiment of God the Son in human flesh as Jesus Christ…

Reincarnation is a process of rebirth of the same soul into another mortal body.
Reincarnation is defined as:
1. the rebirth of a soul in another body.

1.1 [count noun] a person or animal in whom a particular soul is believed to have been reborn:he believed he was the reincarnation of Louis XVI

1.2 [count noun] a new version of something from the past:the latest reincarnation of the hippie look

Source: http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_gb0698400#m_en_gb0698400


4. Is Yah'shua the father of himself i.e. baby jesus ???
Answer: No, Yah'shua has the Father YHWH who came together with the Holy Spirit and the "logos" - Spirit of the Messiah to form a Trinity Elohim.

Here is the sequence of the incarnation process:-

Luke 1:35  The Angel replied, and said to her:
1) The Holy Spirit will come, and
2) The power of the Most High will overshadow thee;
3) Therefore he that is born of thee is holy, and will be called the Son of YHWH.
(Aramaic Text - Murdock)

Trinity Elohim is based on this clearest word of Messiah Yahshua:
John 16:15  "All things that the Father hath are Mine: therefore said I, that He (Spirit of Truth) shall take of Mine, and shall shew it unto you."

Yah'shua is not the Father yet He carries the title of the Father because they are One!
John 10:30  "I and my Father are one."

Messiah Yah'shua was called "Yahweh" as He was hidden with Yahweh in the beginning of time. When Yah'shua was incarnated as a man on earth, Yah'weh the Father continued to dwell with His Son as One. 


The Spirit of YHWH the Father and the Spirit of Yah'shua the Son are joined together are One Being!
John 14:10  "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:11  Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
John 14:20  At that day ye shall know that "I AM in My Father", and ye in me, and I in you.


Messiah Yah'shua was Yahweh becoming the Man and not came forth from a virgin and worshipped by men as Elohim!
Php 2:5  Let this mind be in you, which was also in the Messiah Yahushua:
Php 2:6  Who, being in the form of Elohim, thought it not robbery to be equal with YHWH:
Php 2:7  But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8  And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.


Messiah Yah'shua had made Himself very clear that He did not come from this world - His mother Mary but from His Father Yahweh El.
John 8:23  And he said unto them, "Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
John 8:24  I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."

BECAUSE WTA you do not believe the words of Messiah Yahshua, then you are the son of the Devil.
John 8:43  Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
John 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 8:45  And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.


There is no other way back to Yahweh as Yah'shua is the ONLY WAY!
John 14:6  Yahushua saith unto him, "I AM the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me."


 Yahshua said "I AM THE DOOR..."
John 10:9  I am the Door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

CONCLUSION:
Yahshua is the only way or the only Door to His Father in Heaven.




Sura 24:13 (Yusuf Ali) Why did they not bring four witnesses to prove it? -- Regardless for adultery or false report, a lie is a sin

Where is the logic of Muslims to proclaim that this law comes from Allah and yet there is no 4 credible witnesses to prove that the law itself truly came from Allah!!! How could it be trusted in the first place without any eye-witness??? The context is to prove the sin of the chaste woman that she committed the sin of adultery or fornication.

Sura 24:13 (Yusuf Ali)
Why did they not bring four witnesses to prove it? When they have not brought the witnesses, such men, in the sight of God, (stand forth) themselves as liars!

Sura 24:13 - Pickthal
Why did they not produce four witnesses ? Since they produce not witnesses, they verily are liars in the sight of Allah.

Lying is a sin regardless it is related to adultery or false charge against any persons or God Himself.

Sura 24:11 (Pickthal)
Lo! they who spread the slander are a gang among you. Deem it not a bad thing for you; nay, it is good for you. Unto every man of them (will be paid) that which he hath earned of the sin; and as for him among them who had the greater share therein, his will be an awful doom.



Now is Quran really revealed by Gabriel from Allah? If yes, His word must reconcile with Jesus' words. Let's see who is right.

Quran [19:33] (Jesus said) "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!
[19:34] Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

Jesus died once and lives forever:-
Revelation 1:17-18 [Jesus said]..."Fear not: I am the First and the Last; and who liveth and was dead; and behold, I am alive for EVER and EVER. Amen. And I have the keys of death and of the unseen world. "

So did Quran confirm the words of JESUS as stated in Surah 3:3???

Surah 3:54-55 says,
And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of SCHEMERS.
(And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee ABOVE (SUPERIOR) those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.

Surah 3:54-55 is taken to mean Allah permitted Jesus to be killed and then he surprised the schemers who thought that once Jesus was killed that would be the end of his existence. But God raised Jesus up alive to fulfill Surah 19:33.


Surah 3:55 says followers of Jesus are superior than Muslims. The verse says "those who follow Jesus" and not "those who only believe in Jesus". As muslims do not follow Jesus but believe in Jesus only,  muslims are 2nd class believers based on the Quran.

Surah 4:157
And because of their saying: "We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain."


The Quran says Eesa was caused to die like a natural death and then he was raised alive.

Sura 3:55 (Khalifa)
Thus, GOD said, "O Jesus, I am terminating your life, raising you to Me, and ridding you of the disbelievers. I will exalt those who follow you above those who disbelieve, till the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is the ultimate destiny of all of you, then I will judge among you regarding your disputes.

Sura 3:55 (Pickthal)
(And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.

Sura 3:55 (Sher Ali)
Remember the time when Allah said' `O Jesus, I will cause thee to die a natural death and will raise thee to Myself, and will clear thee of the charges of those who disbelieve, and will exalt those who follow thee above those who disbelieve, until the Day of Resurrection; then to ME shall be your return, and I will judge between you concerning that wherein you differ.


Surah 4:158 (Yusuf Ali)
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
Note: The Oxford English Dictionary defined "raise" as to "bring (someone) back from death": God raised Jesus from the Dead
Source: http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_gb0685190#m_en_gb0685190

Surah 4:159 (Yusuf Ali)
And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before His DEATH; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-
 


Surah 19:33 says Jesus die but Surah 4:157-158 says Jesus did not die but raised up to God. So which is right???

Quran [19:33] (Jesus said) "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!

"The day I was born" is a past tense;
'The day that I die" is a simple present tense at the time of speaking;
"The day that I shall be raised up to life" is a future tense.

As the day I was born is a past tense, the statement does not mean it is the next coming of Jesus. So Surah 19:33 contradicts with Surah 4:157. It proves that Quran is wrong in this prophecy of Jesus in Surah 19:33.




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Common sins of Muslims

First Muslims have to lie that Jesus Christ was not killed nor died on the Cross based on Surah 4:157. This is the greatest sin to become a Muslim, because one have to live with lies of Surah 4:157 and of many other verses about Jesus because the Torah law on 2 or 3 witnesses have satisfied the witnesses on the words spoken by Jesus Christ in respect of his death and resurrection, as recorded in the gospel but not for the Quran which has no eye-witness to the same event written by the apostles of Jesus who are eye-witnesses.


There is no moral value to be a Muslim when he have to insinuate that Jesus Christ was lying about his death and resurrection in the Gospel.

Witnesses for Jesus' death and resurrection are all apostles of JESUS:
Mark 9:31  For he taught His disciples, and said unto them, "The Son of Man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day."

Luke 9:22  Saying, "The Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day."

Mat 20:18  "Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of Man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
Mat 20:19  And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again."


A liar and doubter recited based on false vision:
Surah 4:157 Yusuf Ali
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-


Secondly Muslims have to lie that the Holy Bible is corrupted and that God's word can be changed by men and that God allowed his words to be corrupted so that Quran can come along to supersede. But these are all lies of Muslims because Surah 3:3 is loud and clear that Quran is merely confirming the earlier books but this is found to be false and baseless.


Thirdly Muslims have to believe in the false genelogy of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob which the Quran itself exposed the lies of Muslims that the true genealogy of Abraham was him, Isaac and Jacob. Ishamel was not a legitimate son of Abraham after Sarah's demand that Hagar and Ishmael were to be cast out of his family.