Saturday, December 3, 2011

Muslims accused Christians are praying to a fake jesus god who came out of a vagina


ALL Muslims do it every day - i.e. Praying TOWARDS a Metal Vagina-shaped Black Stone embedded at the side of the Kaaba in Mecca. Muslims call it praying towards the Kaaba for strength and unity but this does not refute the paganism and idolatry of such practices. Abraham never did it! The Jews & Christians do not practise it!


For an example:
[QUOTE] Donster, positron66 and other christians agree and accept christians are praying to a fake jesus god who came out of a vagina ! [END QUOTE]

REFUTED by YAHUSHUA (Jesus)
John 8:23  And he (Yahushua) said unto them, "Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
John 8:24  I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 6:38  For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

WHERE did Positron agree with WTA that praying to Yahushua is the commandment of Yahushua???

Christians are taught by Yahushua to pray to His Father in the Name of Yahushua. Yahushua never ask people to pray to Him directly nor it is agreed by Positron any where in this forum.

John 14:13  And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 16:26  At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
John 16:27  For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from Elohim.
John 16:28  I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

Bear in mind, there is no explicit verse in the Bible that Yahushua came out of Virgin Mary through her vagina. First of all, the conception of Yahushua came by the agent of the Holy Spirit  in the womb of Mary and not through her vagina. Likewise the birth of Yahushua could be similar to cesarean birth by the work of the Holy Spirit.

Luke 1:35  And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of YHWH.

Luke 2:6  And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.
Luke 2:7  And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

Now for a baby delivered by cesarean birth, is it not called "she brought forth her son"??? Before man knows about Cedarean birth, God knows it first. It is natural to believe Mary gave birth through her vagina but this does not discredit the pre-existence of Yahushua with His Father in Heaven and Yahushua's creation of the whole world by His Power.

John 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with YHWH, and the Word was YHWH.
John 1:2  The same (Word) was in the beginning with YHWH.
John 1:3  All things were made (created) by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Yahushua was the Creator of the Universe and all things both seen such as  mankind and unseen such as angels and spirits.








What does it mean the Trinity God? Is the One God having no Power to delegate His Son and His Holy Spirit to function as God?

The Torah does not say God is ONE but His NAME YAHUWAH IS ONE.  Deu 6:4  Hear, O Israel: YHWH is our Elohim, YHWH is One:  Exo 15:3  YHWH is a man of war: YHWH is His Name.  WHY Muslims say Allah has 99 Names when the Torah says the Name of YHWH is ONE??? It proves Allah is a pagan god.

Yahushua and Yahuwah are the One Elohim.
John 10:30  "I and my Father are One."

John 5:21  For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
John 5:22  For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
John 5:23  That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Any man who honour the Son has also honoured the Father. But any man who claimed to honour the Father without the Son is a liar because the Son said "no man comes to the Father except by ME" John 14:6.

Messiah Yahushua aka Yehoshua said "I AM IN The FATHER and FATHER is in ME" which means the Spirit of YHWH is IN YAHUSHUA. In other words, YAHUSHUA IS YAHUWAH in the SPIRIT.
John 14:10  "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:11  Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
John 14:12  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
John 14:13  And whatsoever ye shall ask in MY NAME, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 14:14  If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Yahushua is Yahuwah Elohim as He said you ASK anything in MY NAME, not in the Name of the Father!!!

John 15:23  He that hateth ME hateth My FATHER also.
John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I WILL SEND unto you from the FATHER (1), even the Spirit of Truth (2), which proceedeth from the FATHER, He shall testify of  ME (3)"

John 14:26  But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit (1), whom the Father (2) will send in my Name (3), he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 16:15  "All things that the Father (1) hath are Mine (2): therefore said I, that He (3) - The Spirit of Truth - shall take of Mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Matt 28:19  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father (1), and of the Son (2), and of the Holy Spirit (3).

All the above verses prove that God is three-in-unity; the One God has 3 characters in Him. God can function as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. God manifests Himself in 3 different periods of history.

In the Old Testament, God is known as Yahuwah aka Yehovah who is equivalent to the Father. Then the period of the Son when He was incarnated to become a man on earth for a period of 33.5 years only. Then the period of the Holy Spirit from 33CE until the second coming of Yahushua the Son of Yahuwah God.

The combination of these 3 periods of manifestation of God is the make-up of the 3 characters of God better known as the Trinity God. The Yahuwah God is eternally One and He does not divide into 3 Gods but is always the One God with 3 key-functions: The Father functions as the President in the God-head. The Son functions as the Vice President and the Holy Spirit functions as the Executive Director. This analogy does not make the One God into 3 Gods but the same God has 3 key-functions.

The common misconception about the Trinity God and where Messiah Yahushua (Jesus) came from has long been answered but some Muslims still troll on the same topic indefinitely. Here is a rebuttal to some of the questions posted by Muslim known as WarriorIslamic and answered by a Christian.  Click to view the full discussion.

http://positron6.blogspot.com/2011/12/common-misconception-about-trinity-god.html

Quran Proclaims the Prophethood from the lineage of JACOB aka ISRAEL but exclude ISHMAEL the Son of Abraham

Muslims will not listen to the People of the Book even it is advised in the Quran Surah 10:94. At least Muhammad agreed that the Prophethood came only from ISAAC and JACOB and his progeny.

According to Muhammad, the Prophethood ONLY come from the bloodline of ISAAC, JACOB and his seed: "And we bestowed on Isaac and Jacob, and we ESTABLISHED THE PROPHETHOOD AND SCRIPTURE AMONG HIS SEED" (Sura 29:27).

Even if the Quran states the Prophethood come from Abraham & his seed, it was ISAAC as explicitly named therein. The word "Seed" is singular, not "Seeds" as of many, which Prophet Paul (Acts 13:1) pinpointed to Yahu'shua Messiah (Galatians 3:16).

Yusuf Ali adds "Abraham" into the text so that Muhammad can qualify, but "Abraham" does not exist in the Arabic text, which the Muslims claim is perfectly preserved. So according to the Qu'ran, Muhammad is not in the lineage of Prophethood.

First of all, Ishmael was older than ISAAC by at least 15 years. If Ishmael was a prophet, his name should have appeared before ISAAC in Surah 29:27.

Secondly if Muhammad came from the lineage of Ishmael, there must be a Quranic verse to support this material fact. But there is not a single verse in the whole book of the Quran which proves Muhammad came from Ishmael!!!

Thirdly, Ishmael was not mentioned in Surah 29:27 as he was cast out of the family of Abraham vide Hebrew Tanakh - Genesis 21:9-14 and the Book of Jasher 21:15 of which his birthright was revoked and totally given to ISAAC as the only Son.


Jasher 21:15 And Sarah saw the act which Ishmael desired to do to her son Isaac, and it grieved her exceedingly on account of her son, and she sent for Abraham, and said to him, CAST OUT this bondwoman and her son, for her son shall not be heir with my son, for thus did he seek to do unto him this day.

Genesis 21:10  Wherefore she said unto Abraham, CAST OUT this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.
Note: The intention for expulsion is to revoke the birthright of Ishmael so that he cannot co-inherit with ISAAC.


Hebrew Scripture (Genesis 21:9-14) says that Yahuwah Elohim approved Sarah's demand to Abraham to expel Ishmael and Hagar from his family so that Ishmael and his seed will not co-inherit with her son ISAAC and his seed.

Muhammad agreed that Ishmael was dismissed when he recited the genealogy of Abraham without any mention of Ishmael as follows:
Sura 29:27 (Yusuf Ali) "And We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation, ..."


Yahu'weh told Abraham that only in ISAAC shall his posterity be called (qara) or proclaimed.
Gen 21:12  And Elohim said unto Abraham, "... in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in ISAAC shall thy seed be called."

As the Everlasting Covenant of Yahu'weh Elohim would be established with ISAAC and his seed (Gen 17:19 & 21), the Prophethood i.e. "to be an Elohim unto thee and to thy seed after thee" (Gen 17:7) shall be inherited by ISAAC and his seed JACOB accordingly.

This verse alone is suffice to disqualify Muhammad as a PROPHET as he did not come from the seed of Jacob nor from Ishmael.
"And we bestowed on him ISAAC and Jacob, and we ESTABLISHED THE PROPHETHOOD AND SCRIPTURE AMONG HIS SEED" (Sura 29:27).



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Quran is a product of plagiarism which came by Muhammad and further revised by Zaid ibn Thabit. Quran is not the word of the Almighty God because there is no prophethood in the lineage of Ishmael and Muhammad as told in the Quran at Sura 29:27.


Important Question for Muslims:
Surah 29:27 which exposes the lies of Muhammad and Muslims. Muhammad made no claim to come from the lineage of Ishmael in the Quran. So how could Muhammad be associated with the prophethood of JACOB aka ISRAEL spoken of in Surah 29:27???
Muslims please answer it before moving to another question.


If Ishmael was a prophet then his name should appear before ISAAC in Surah 29:27 since he was older than ISAAC by at least 15 years. If Muhammad came from the lineage of Ishmael, then you would have find a verse in the Quran to support it. But there is not a single verse in the Quran which claims Muhammad came from the descendants of Ishmael nor from JACOB aka ISRAEL. So Muslims are all liars about the prophethood of Muhammad when the scripture proves them all WRONG!!!




 The Torah does not say God is ONE but His NAME YAHUWAH IS ONE.  Deu 6:4  Hear, O Israel: YHWH is our Elohim, YHWH is One:  Exo 15:3  YHWH is a man of war: YHWH is His Name.  WHY Muslims say Allah has 99 Names when the Torah says the Name of YHWH is ONE??? It proves Allah is a pagan god.

Yahushua and Yahuwah are the One Elohim.
John 10:30  "I and my Father are One."

John 5:21  For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
John 5:22  For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
John 5:23  That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Any man who honour the Son has also honoured the Father. But any man who claimed to honour the Father without the Son is a liar because the Son said "no man comes to the Father except by ME" John 14:6.

Messiah Yahushua aka Yehoshua said "I AM IN The FATHER and FATHER is in ME" which means the Spirit of YHWH is IN YAHUSHUA. In other words, YAHUSHUA IS YAHUWAH in the SPIRIT.
John 14:10  "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:11  Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
John 14:12  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
John 14:13  And whatsoever ye shall ask in MY NAME, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 14:14  If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Yahushua is Yahuwah Elohim as He said you ASK anything in MY NAME, not in the Name of the Father!!!

John 15:23  He that hateth ME hateth My FATHER also.
John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I WILL SEND unto you from the FATHER (1), even the Spirit of Truth (2), which proceedeth from the FATHER, He shall testify of  ME (3)"


The common misconception about the Trinity God and where Messiah Yahushua (Jesus) came from has long been answered but some Muslims still troll on the same topic indefinitely. Here is a rebuttal to some of the questions posted by Muslim known as WarriorIslamic and answered by a Christian.  Click to view the full discussion.

http://positron6.blogspot.com/2011/12/common-misconception-about-trinity-god.html

The common misconception about the Trinity God and where Messiah Yahushua (Jesus) came from has long been answered

The common misconception about the Trinity God and where Messiah Yahushua (Jesus) came from has long been answered but some Muslims still troll on the same topic indefinitely. Here is a rebuttal to some of the questions posted by Muslim known as WarriorIslamic and answered by a Christian.

LEGEND
XXX WarriorIslamic
+++ Positron

XXX
Please answer the following questions WITHOUT FAIL!

1. When your Jesus was lying dead for 3 days in the Tomb after crucifiction, how many Living God or Gods were there & who was/were they (out of The Father,The Holy Ghost & Jesus!)

+++ Answer: When Yahushua was dead for 3 days, His physical body was dead but His Spirit is eternally One with His Father. There are still 3 persons: Father, Son and the Holy Spirit which are the One Elohim.

XXX
2.Now Jesus is in Heaven! how many Living God or Gods is/are there now in Heaven or anywhere & who is/are they (out of The Father,The Holy Ghost & Jesus!)
+++ Answer: Yahushua was in Heaven before He came down to earth and when He was on earth, His Spirit is in Heaven. The Spirit of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit are eternally ONE.

John 1:18  No man hath seen the Father at any time; the only begotten Son, which was in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
John 3:13  And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven.

XXX
3.At the cross when your Jesus was crucified, he cried out "Daddy! Daddy! Why have u forsaken me? " Was Jesus talking to Jesus or was Jesus talking to another entity called the Father! How many entities were there? What happened to the Holy Ghost & why Holy Ghost did not interfere or help Jesus?

+++ Answer: Yahushua was not calling for help from His Father but He was quoting the Scripture from Psalms 22:1 "My El, my El, why hast thou forsaken me? ..."
Matt 27:46  And about the ninth hour Yahushua cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My Elohim, my Elohim, why hast thou forsaken me?

The Spirit of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit are eternally One and they speak as One Elohim.

XXX
4.Gabriel came to Mary telling Mary that shes gonna bore Jesus!! Why was your God created in the womb of a Human!! Muslims believe in True God as being UNCREATED! Why your God Jesus was created?
+++ Answer: Yahushua was not created in the womb of virgin Mary. Yahushua pre-existed with His Father in Heaven. Yahushua came down to earth by INCARNATION.

John 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with YHWH, and the Word was YHWH.
John 1:2  The same was in the beginning with YHWH.
John 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

XXX
5. Why your Baby God Jesus sucked human woman nipples for milk? Why your Jesus did not suck from a God Mother?
+++ Answer: Yahushua became a man by the will of his own free choice. This question shall be addressed to Yahushua when you meet Him in Heaven.

John 6:38  For I came down from Heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

XXX
6. If Jesus was God, why Jesus need to be baptized coz I thought God is SINLESS! Why God Jesus was baptized by a human? Does that make John the Baptist SUPERIOR than your God Jesus?
+++ Answer: Baptism is not because of sins. Baptism is symbolic for remission of sins. However Yahushua came to earth as a man and not as the GOD. Being a perfect man, Yahushua have to obey the laws and be baptized as a man. John the Baptist declared that Yahushua was mightier than him. Are you listening???
Mat 3:11  I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit, and with fire:

XXX
7. If u claimed Jesus is God, why Jesus said "The Father is Greater than I!" How many Gods do u have here? Who is/are these God or Gods?
+++ Answer: You have to understand the word "greater" is not SUPERIOR. "GREATER" means MORE IMPORTANT. The One GOD consists of 3-person namely the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are always the ONE GOD and never divided into 3 Gods.

XXX
8. Jesus always said in your Bible " Thy Father, My Father!!!" Why Jesus did not say "I am the Father!" Do u agree that Father & Jesus are 2 separate entities? If they are ONE ENTITY, JESUS WOULD NOT HAVE SAID "The Father is greater than I!" & also Jesus would say "Thy Thy Thy Thyyyyyyy so many times!" Explain in great length your answers!
+++ Answer: Now GOD is Almighty and infinite in WISDOM. What a feeble mind like you cannot comprehend things on this world, will not understand things unseen too!

The Father and the Son are 2 persons but not separate entities. They are always ONE in the Spirit. Take a look at my video clip below and it explains everything about Trinity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU65PLFvWuw

XXX
9. Jesus did not know the season of the fig Tree & Jesus did not know when will be the Day of Judgemant! My Allah,my God knows everything! Why your God Jesus did not know everything!
+++ Answer: Your allah knows nothing!!! Allah in Hebrew means OAK TREE. If Allah knows every thing, why his name means OAK???

Yahushua cursed the fig tree in order to prove that His spoken word is powerful as GOD. Why allah cannot raise Muhammad from his dead???

Yahushua did know the Day of Judgment as He would be the Chief Judge on the Day of Judgment.
John 5:26  For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
John 5:27  And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of Man.


XXX
10.When Jesus was asked what was the Best Commandments that Jesus liked the most, Jesus answer " O Ye Israel! Worship thy Father,My Father!" Why thy again? Is Father & Jesus one entity or separate entities or objects?

+++ Answer: You simply misquoted the Word of Yahuwah Elohim.
Deu 6:4  Hear, O Israel: YHWH is our Elohim, YHWH is one:
Mark 12:29  And Yahushua answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; YHWH is our Elohim, YHWH is one:
John 10:30  I and my Father are ONE.

The Father and Yahushua are One Elohim. They have the same will, same mind and same nature.



NOW answer these questions:
1. Where does the Quran say Muhammad was a descendant from Ishmael?

2. Abraham has one grandson or 2 grandsons?

3. How could Muhammad be a prophet when he did not come from the lineage of JACOB aka ISRAEL vide Surah 29:27???

4. How could Muhammad qualify for his prophethood when Surah 3:81 require him to confirm the Torah and the Gospel vide Surah 3:3??? Where are the Torah and the Gospel used by Muhammad as required by Surah 3:81???

5. All prophets after the time of Moses have been anointed by another prophet before the new prophet can take up the duty. Prophet John the Baptist, Prophet Moses and Prophet Isaiah announced the coming of Messiah Yahushua. Who announce the coming of Muhammad from scriptures before him???