Showing posts with label quran. Show all posts
Showing posts with label quran. Show all posts

Monday, March 3, 2008

Is the Doctrine of Trinity from God?

Muslims do not believe in Trinity because Quran says whosoever ascribes partners with Allah will be forbidden Paradise and that Jesus is not God.

Sura 5:72 They surely disbelieve who say : Lo! Allah is the MESSIAH, son of Mary. The MESSIAH (himself) said : O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden Paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evildoers there will be no helpers.
Sura 5:73
They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no God save the One God. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve.
Therefore several debates have been made on the question as to whether or not Jesus is the Son of God or God manifest in the flesh. Let's find out whether the doctrine of Trinity is derived from the Holy Bible or is the doctrine of man?
Bible does not teach God is the Christ neither say God is one of Three in a Trinity. The statement is false when the equation is reversed eg. Americans are white; white are Americans!Jesus is the Son of God and not God is the Christ. Christ is Messiah and not God is the Christ. God is not one of the Three. God is a Spirit manifests in three persons or Three in one! Doctrine of Trinity is man's understanding of the Scripture and not direct message from God. How did Quran has Trinity when the Bible has no such word in it?

Did the spirit who reveal to prophet of Islam say "I am Gabriel"? Then who say that unidentified spirit is Gabriel? A Christian who never met the spirit said so. That was an invalid witness. Gabriel always make himself known unlike that unidentified spirit.

Dan 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

Luk 1:19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to show thee these glad tidings.

1) Father is God and not God is the Father

Father in heaven is God because God resides in heavenly throne.

Mat 5:48
(Jesus said) Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

2) Jesus Christ is God and not God is Jesus Christ.

2.1 Devil knew Jesus Christ title as "the Son of God"

Mat 4:3 And when the tempter (devil) came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

2.2 Demons knew Jesus as the Son of God.

Mat 8:29

And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

2.3 Men knew Jesus as the Son of God

Mat 14:33

Then they that were in the ship came and worshiped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Mat 26:63

But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Joh 10:36 (Jesus said)

Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, "I am the Son of God"?

3) Holy Spirit is God and not God is Holy Spirit.

Blasphemy against Holy Spirit is an eternal sin. Only sin against an infinite being is eternal. So Holy Spirit is God. But to say God is Holy Spirit is false statement because the order cannot be reversed.

Mat 12:31 (Jesus said) Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Holy Spirit is God because He came from the Father and has personality as He shall teach and help to remember all things

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Trinity is Three in One; the Father, the Son Jesus and Holy Spirit are One.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1Jo 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

God Himself has testified through Jesus Christ and then confirmed by the Holy Spirit.

1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
Salvation does not require a person to believe in Trinity. If the Doctrine of Trinity is false, the Bible is still true because God is not a man that he should lie (Num 23:19).

Saturday, February 23, 2008

Is Hell the decree for Muslims?

Is Hell the decree for Muslims? It sounds harsh and rude for first time listeners. But let's examine the Quran to find out in truth.

Key Verse: Sura 19:68 And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble them (Muslims) and the DEVILs, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell.

Let's examine whether the element of mockery is the reason for Allah to assemble them (Muslims) and the Devils together and bring them, crouching, around hell. Retracing to earlier verse at Sura 19:65
Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them! Therefor, worship thou Him and be thou steadfast in His service. Knowest thou one that can be named along with Him? And man saith: When I am dead, shall I forsooth be brought forth alive? (Sura 19:66)

As this is an important truth to know where is the destiny for Muslims, let us quote from 3 witnesses or translators to establish the truth of the interpretation of the Quran. Two witnesses is sufficient to comply with the Mosaic law (Matthew 18:16) and 3 witnesses shall be settled it once and for all.


Examine Sura 19:65-66
Khalifa: The Lord of the heavens and the earth, and everything between them; you shall worship Him and steadfastly persevere in worshiping Him. Do you know of anyone who equals Him? The human being asks, "After I die, do I come back to life?"

Yusuf Ali: Lord of the heavens and of the earth, and of all that is between them; so worship Him, and be constant and patient in His worship: knowest thou of any who is worthy of the same Name as He?" Man says: "What! When I am dead, shall I then be raised up alive?"

Pickthal: "Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them! Therefor, worship thou Him and be thou steadfast in His service. Knowest thou one that can be named along with Him ? And man saith: When I am dead, shall I forsooth be brought forth alive ?

Comments: He worshipped the Lord of the heavens and the earth implies he is a Muslim. And he inquired about the resurrection of the dead.

Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. (Matthew 22:29-32)

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? (John 11:25-26)

Examine the context of Sura 19:67-68

Allah said to Muslim
Khalifa: Did the human being forget that we created him already, and he was nothing? By your Lord, we will certainly summon them (Muslims), together with the devils, and will gather them around Hell, humiliated.

Yusuf Ali: But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing? So, by thy Lord, without doubt, We shall gather them together, and (also) the Evil Ones (with them); then shall We bring them forth on their knees round about Hell;

Pickthal: Doth not man remember that We created him before, when he was naught ? And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble them (Muslims) and the devils, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell.

Some shall be plucked out or abruptly pulled out from group and thrown to burn in Hell? Who are there?

Examine the context of Sura 19:69-70
Khalifa: Then we will pick out from each group the most ardent opponent of the Most Gracious. We know full well those who are most deserving of burning therein.

Yusuf Ali: Then shall We certainly drag out from every sect all those who were worst in obstinate rebellion against (God) Most Gracious. And certainly We know best those who are most worthy of being burned therein.

Pickthal: Then We shall pluck out from every sect whichever of them was most stubborn in rebellion to the Beneficent. And surely We are Best Aware of those most worthy to be burned therein.

Comments: Did you read it correctly? Those most rebellious against the Most Gracious God shall be plucked out from the group and thrown to be burned in Hell.

Is it a destiny for good Muslims to go to Hell? Yes, all of the Muslims for it is Allah's decree.
Sura 19:71
Khalifa: Every single one of you must see it; this is an irrevocable decision of your Lord.

Yusuf Ali: Not one of you but will pass over it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished.

Pickthal: There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord.
Is the reason of mockery brought Muslims to Hell? No, it is Allah's decree to enter Hell. Then who shall be spared from burning in Hell?

Sura 19:72
Khalifa: Then we rescue the righteous, and leave the transgressors in it, humiliated.
Yusuf Ali: But We shall save those who guarded against evil, and We shall leave the wrong-doers therein, (humbled) to their knees.
Pickthal: Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there.

The righteous shall be plucked out from Hell and trangressors are left behind. The Scripture says the most rebellious against God are trangressors which Sura 19:72 says they would be left crouching in Hell. Only the most rebellious against God will be thrown to be burned therein (Sura 19:69).

For Yahweh God said
1Samuel 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Joshua 1:18 Whosoever he be that doth rebel against thy commandment, and will not hearken unto thy words in all that thou commandest him, he shall be put to death: only be strong and of a good courage.

Joshua 22:29 God forbid that we should rebel against the LORD


Jesus said the trangressors are thrown into the lake of burning fire and not just crouching around in Hell:-
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Rev 21:7-8)

Rev 20:15 (God said) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Rev 22:15 For without are dogs (unbelieving, abominable, contemptible, apostate, trangressors), and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Question: How many could be pluck out from Hell? None, as it is impossible to get out of Hell. Listen to the words of Prophet Jesus before it.

Quran was traditionally from a revelation given by an unidentified spirit to Mohammed at Hira cave in Mecca. The spirit said to Mohammed: "Verily he saw one of the greater revelations of his Lord. Have ye thought upon Al Lat and Al Uzza, and Manat, the third, the other? Are yours the males and His the females? " (Sura 53:18-21)

Question: Asking Muslims to give thoughts to 3 gods or 3 spirits? Is it an idolatry to think of 3 gods?


Did that spirit say "Thus have we appointed unto every Prophet an adversary DEVILs of humankind and jinn who inspire in one another plausible discourse through guile. If thy Lord willed, they would not do so; so leave them alone with their devising"

Question: Is that spirit a deceiver who appoint an adversary Devils of humankind to mislead every prophet?

But Lord Jesus did not sin (Hebrew 2:18; 4:15) even though he was tempted in every way (Matthew 4:1, Mark 1:13, Luke 4:2).

Sura 67:5 And verily We have beatified the world's heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for the DEVILs, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame.

Question: Are stars in the sky considered as lamps or missiles to shoot the Devils? It sounds like devils can be shot down.


Nevertheless, Allah will gather Muslims and Devils together and bring them, crouching around hell (Sura 19:66-70) and that is a destiny for Muslims because "that is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord" (Sura 19:71).

Is that a reward to be a Muslim so as to end up in hell with no certainty to be saved from hell fire?

Once in hell, there is no return and no way out of it as told by Lord Jesus (Luke 16:26) And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

But Christians are saved by Lord Jesus who is from Abraham's seed.
Sura 3:55 ...I will make those who follow thee (Jesus) SUPERIOR to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection (Yusuf Ali)

Quran was revealed later than the Holy Bible by at least 540 years. As Quran confirms that the Scripture was revealed in truth, then Bible is the final authority. Quran recognises the Holy Bible as a Book of final authority.

Sura 10:94 And if thou (Mohammed/Muslim) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those (Christians) who read the Scripture (Bible that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers. (Pickthal Translation)

Moreover, Quran says it is CONFIRMING and not CORRECTING the Holy Bible so those who claims Bible is corrupt are liars and not believing in Quran.

Sura 2:41 And believe in that which I reveal, CONFIRMING that which ye possess already (of the Scripture), and be not first to disbelieve therein, and part not with My revelations for a trifling price, and keep your duty unto Me.

Sura 3:3 He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, CONFIRMING that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel

Sura 5:46 And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, CONFIRMING that which was (revealed) before him, and We bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance and a light, CONFIRMING that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off (evil).

Allah will watch over the Scripture revealed before Quran, to keep if from corruption
Sura 5:48 And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, CONFIRMING whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it.

Read the Holy Bible with an open mind and read from page to page to determine the overview of the words from Lord Jesus. Do not believe in those who disbelieve about the Gospel for it is the power of God for salvation of the Gentiles - to be saved from the hell fire.

Saint Paul said: For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written. The just shall live by faith. (Romans 1:16-17)


May God open the eyes of understanding of those who truly seek for the truth, nothing but the truth in the name of Jesus my Lord. Amen.