Saturday, August 28, 2010

Debate: Who is the Final Prophet of Jehovah God: Muhammad or JESUS?

Greetings. You may be interested to read my response to a Muslim's challenge.

XXX jalal123
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Alright, your challenge has been accepted with the help of my Jehovah God and Lord Jesus Messiah, the Spiritual Son of Jehovah God.

where my answers dear friend you can't even protect you're own faith and you're atacking muslim's as they are sinners or what ever... if you can prove me one verse from the quran wich is against the science... or against logic or against humanity. I LOSE YOU WON. but if you can't answer my questions if can't point out a single verse going against humanity I WON YOU LOSE and you will have to admit.

Truth is not determined whether or not it is against humanity. You quote the Law of God to prove that truth is related to this criterion first or else it is an invalid challenge. Every thing must be based on the Law of Jehovah God.

The Quranic verse is against the scientific truth and reality of the reproduction of mankind. You have to prove it by giving me a scientific word for the region "between the ribs and backbones" that it ejaculates the seminal fluid for conception of a baby. "Science is used to understand Quran and not Quran has scientific proof on embryology and reproduction of mankind."

Question: Please tell me the seminal fluid gushing or emitting, proceeding from "between the backbone and the ribs" is scientifically correct or not???

Pickthal Translation
Quran 86:6-7 "He is created from a drop emitted - proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs."

Muhammad was merely speaking for man Jesus Christ and other prophets who had came before him. As Prophet basically speaks for GOD, not for men, how could Muhammad be qalified as a Prophet???

Muhammad lied about Prophet JESUS was not killed nor crucified on the Cross because Prophet JESUS foretold His Apostles about His death and resurrection. The Words of Prophet JESUS were recorded by Apostle John, Apostle Peter and Apostle Matthew who were eye-witnesses for Prophet JESUS.

Surah 4:157 (Pickthal) And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.

PROPHETS Moses and Elijah were the 2 witnesses for JESUS MESSIAH revealing about His death which was about to take place in Jerusalem and seen by 3 witnesses namely Apostle John, Apostle Peter and Apostle James (Luke 9:28-36, Matt 17:1-9, Mark 9:2-9)

Luke 9:29  And as He (JESUS) prayed, the appearance of His countenance was altered, and His clothing was dazzling white.
Luke 9:30  And behold, two men talked with Him, who were Moses and Elijah,
Luke 9:31  who appeared in glory and spoke of His exodus (death), which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem.

Does Prophet Jesus need a non-eyewitness Muhammad to testify for Him??? NO, what Muhammad did was not only redundant but also contradicted with the Words of Lord Jesus about His death and resurrection:

Witness 1 - Disciple John Mark and 11 Apostles
Mark 9:31  For he(Jesus) taught His disciples, and said unto them, "The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall Kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day."

Witness 2 - Apostle Matthew and 11 Apostles
Mat 17:22  And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, "The Son of Man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:
Mat 17:23  And they shall Kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again." And they were exceeding sorry.

Lord Jesus Christ had warned that he who was speaking contrary to His message or against Him was not for Him:
Mark 9:39  But Jesus said, "Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in My Name, that can lightly speak evil of Me.
Mark 9:40  For he that is not against us is on our part."

Now tell me who's Satan the one who changed the gospel and torah or the one who reproduced the message so that it can never be changed again.

Satan did not change the Torah neither the Gospel. It was the Muslims who lied that the Torah & the Gospel have been corrupted. A simple logic will tell that 2 Holy Books will weigh heavier than a new Book which was not written by a qualified prophet; neither an eye-witness to all the historical events from the era from Adam to Jesus, nor from the tribes of Levi or Judah from whom the promised Savior will come from it.

why i don't believe in gospel? because my firnd its hard to believe that the world is flat, its hard to believe that snake eats dust, its hard to belive that god created first the vegatables and then the light, ect...

The Gospel of Jesus is the good message of Jesus Christ, the Son of God collected in the 4 books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Aramaic NT Bible for the 4 Books is avaible online. Google for "Khabouris Codex" the oldest NT Bible in Aramaic.

The Torah is the first 5 Books collected in the Old Testament (OT) namely Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

The Word of Jehovah God is not Always literal but it is also an allegory as even Quran the words of Muhammad reminded you about it. The problem is not the Word of God but your own limited understanding and knowledge of how God communicates to mankind in the forms of dreams, visions, prophets and through His creation.

Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:2  And the earth was without form and empty. And darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters.

The first element that God created after the existence of earth in the heavens or universe is Light, not vegetation.
Gen 1:3  And God said, "Let there be light. And there was Light."

Light is required for photosthesis of plants together with water and carbon dioxide. Plants indoor with light bulbs can survive and remain healthy without placing under direct sunlight.

Muhammad is a false prophet as he advised people to worship Allah and not Jehovah God, the true God of the Hebrews.

Deu 13:1  If a prophet rises among you, or a dreamer of dreams, and gives you a sign or a wonder,
Deu 13:2  and the sign or the wonder which he foretold to you occurs, saying, Let us go after other gods which you have not known, and let us serve them,
Deu 13:3  you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For Jehovah your God is testing you to know whether you love Jehovah your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deu 13:4  You shall walk after Jehovah your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments, and obey His voice, and you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him.
Deu 13:5  And that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken to turn you away from Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slaves, to thrust you out of the way in which Jehovah your God commanded you to walk. So you shall put the evil away from the midst of you.

Muhammad was killed by Jehovah God in 632AD before he lied that he was a prophet of God. You show me the criteria of Muhammad as what qualify him to be called the prophet of Jehovah?

you can't answer me but you won't agree i know it because there is satan work starting when he deceives a man. it is hard to believe. but WHY DON'T you agree if i have answerd all your question.

You pray towards the Black Stone every day and yet dare to tell me that it is a command of your Allah. If it was so, then why the Jews and Christians do not pray towards the Jerusalem Temple's wall every day???

brother May Allah put you on the straight path,, i can still answer your question because its the job of the muslim to show the way wich goes towards God Allah.

and if you talk about God Family you're not even christan!!!!! you're not monotheist.


If you disagree with the words of Prophet JESUS, then bring your 2 eye-witnesses who saw and heard from Him personally. You have no rights to challenge the words of Prophet JESUS merely by your own corrupted mind and biased opinion.

You prove to me by the Words of Prophet Jesus that He did NOT come out from the One Jehovah God and that He was CREATED by God, NOT SENT by Jehovah God???

MKJV Deu 6:4  Hear, O, Israel. Jehovah our God is One Jehovah.
Zec 14:9  And Jehovah shall be King over all the earth; in that day there shall be One Jehovah, and His Name shall be One.

1. Did Prophet JESUS associate partner with His Father GOD? NO, Prophet JESUS was originally and eternally the ONE JEHOVAH GOD.

John 10:30 (Jesus said) "I and the Father are One (Jehovah)!"
What is the meaning of the phrase "I and my Father are One Jehovah"?
John 10:33  The Jews answered Him, saying, "We do not stone you for a good work, but for blasphemy, and because you, being a Man, make yourself GOD."
Lord Jesus Christ said the Law of God permitted Him to be called "I am the Son of God".
John 10:35  If He called those Elohim (gods) with whom the Word of God was, and the Scripture cannot be broken,
John 10:36  do you say of Him whom the Father has sanctified and sent into the world, You blaspheme, because I said, "I am the Son of God"?

JESUS CHRIST is the Spiritual Son of God.

2. Did Prophet JESUS exist in Heaven before He was born into the world?
YES, Prophet John testified about Jesus Christ was the Creator of all thing through Him; the Word who was God became Flesh.

John 1:1 "IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2  He was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.
John 1:14  And the Word became Flesh, and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and of truth."
John 1:15  JOHN bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, "This was He of whom I spoke: He who comes after me has been before me, for He was preceding me."

Prophet John, son of Zechariah, was born about 6 months ealier than Prophet Jesus. Yet Prophet John said "He who comes after me has been Before me, for He was preceding me." Prophet John meant that Jesus Christ existed before he was born on earth as told in John 1:1-14

3. Prophet JESUS existed before Prophet Abraham came into existence over 1,800 years ago which proves that no man lives in Heaven.
John 8:57  Then the Jews said to Him (JESUS), "You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?"
John 8:58  Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came into being, I AM!"
John 8:59  Then they took up stones to throw at Him (for blasphemy). But Jesus hid Himself and went forth out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and passed on by.

Now Prophet JESUS existed before Abraham was born on earth around 1,800 years Before Christ. Can a man existed for over 1,800 years in Heaven? NO, the term man is a physical being who has spirit, soul and body. No man existed in Heaven according to Prophet JESUS.

John 1:18  No one has seen God at any time; the Only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

Listen to the words of Prophet JESUS:
John 6:46  "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
John 6:47  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

4. No prophet knows Lord Jesus Christ except His Father and no one knows His Father except His Son:-
Mat 11:27 "All things are delivered to Me by My Father. And no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son will reveal Him."
Luke 10:22  All things are delivered to Me by My Father; and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and the one to whom the Son will reveal Him.
John 3:35  The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

Lord Jesus Christ has a Team of Angels under His command. Do you call JESUS a man when He has Angels under Him???
Mat 13:41  "The Son of Man shall send out His angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who do iniquity"

5. WHERE did LORD JESUS come out from? He came out from His FATHER:

John 13:3  Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that He was come from God, and went to God
John 16:27  For the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came out from God.
Joh 16:28  I came forth from the Father, and have come into the world. Again I leave the world and go to the Father.

LORD JESUS was GOD Incarnate as He came out from His Father, into the world as a Man and then return to His Father's presence.

6. WHO will come after LORD JESUS CHRIST?
LORD JESUS said the Holy Spirit or Spirit of Truth would come after Him.
John 14:26  "But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you."
John 15:26  "And when the Comforter has come, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of Truth who proceeds from the Father, He shall testify of Me (JESUS)."

Did Prophet JESUS say the Spirit of Truth is the Praised One or Ahmad from the tribe of Quraysh??? No, Prophet Jesus told a Samaritan woman (mixed blood of the Jews and Gentiles) that Salvation or Savior is from the JEWS i.e. from the tribe of JUDAH:
John 4:22  "You worship what you do not know, we know what we worship, for Salvation is of the Jews."

Secondly, the Spirit of Truth PROCEEDS from the FATHER in the Name of Jesus Christ. No man came out from God Almighty except the Son of God. Angels come out from the presence of Jehovah God but not man.

7. Does Prophet JESUS CHRIST has his own authority equal to GOD the Father?
YES, Prophet JESUS said "No one takes His Authority away from Me".

John 10:17  "Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I might take it again.
John 10:18  No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down from Myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it again. I have received this commandment from My Father.

8. Does Prophet JESUS CHRIST had the Glory of God???
YES, Prophet JESUS HAD the Glory of GOD with His FATHER before the world was created.
John 17:3  (Jesus said) "And this is Life Eternal, that they might know Thee the Only true (Jehovah) God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast Sent.
John 17:4  I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 17:5  And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the GLORY which I HAD WITH THEE before the world was."

John 11:4  When Jesus heard, He said, "This sickness is not to death, but for the Glory of God, so that the Son of God might be glorified by it."

9. Did Prophet JESUS commit any sin while He came out from GOD into the world?
NO, none can convict Him of sin!!!

John 8:46  (JESUS rebuked) "Which of you convicts Me of sin?"
Hebrews 4:15  For we do not have a high priest who cannot be touched with the feelings of our infirmities, but was in all points tempted just as we are, yet without sin. (See Hebrews 9:28)

Aramaic Etheridge Translation.
Luke 1:35  The Angel answered and said to her, "The Spirit of Holiness shall come, and the Power of the Most High [Eloia] shall shadow over thee; on account of this He who (shall be) born from Thee is the Holy, and the Son of Aloha shall be called."

Gabriel told Mary that she would bear a faultless son (Jesus)
Quran 19:19 (Yusuf Ali)
He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a Holy Son.

10. Could Prophet JESUS forgive sins on earth?
YES, Prophet JESUS could forgive sins as He had proved it on a paralytic man.

Matt 9:2  And behold, they brought to Him a paralytic, lying on a bed. And Jesus, seeing their faith, said to the paralytic, Child, be of good cheer. Your sins are forgiven you.
Matt 9:6  But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins, then He said to the paralytic, "Arise, take up your bed and go to your house."

Mark 2:5  And seeing their faith, Jesus said to the paralytic, "Child, your sins are forgiven to you."
Mark 2:6  But some of the scribes were sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
Mark 2:7  Why does this one speak such blasphemies? Who can forgive sins except God only?
Mark 2:10  But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority upon earth to forgive sins, He said to the paralytic,
Mark 2:11  I say to you, Arise, and take up your cot, and go to your house.

Luke 5:24  But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins, He said to the paralytic, I say to you, Arise, and take up your cot and go to your house.


 Who were the Prophets witnessing for Prophet JESUS that He is the FINAL PROPHET in the world which Prophet Moses and all prophets were prophesying about?
There are 3 Holy Prophets namely: Prophets Moses, Prophet Elijah and Prophet John, Son of Zechariah

Mark 9:2  And after six days Jesus took Peter and James and John and led them up into a high mountain, apart by themselves. And He was transfigured before them.
Mark 9:3  And His clothing became shining, exceedingly white as snow such as no fuller on earth could whiten them.
Mark 9:4  And Elijah with Moses was seen by them, and they were talking with Jesus.

Luke 9:29  And as He (JESUS) prayed, the appearance of His countenance was altered, and His clothing was dazzling white.
Luke 9:30  And behold, two men talked with Him, who were Moses and Elijah,
Luke 9:31  who appeared in glory and spoke of His exodus, which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem.
John 1:32  And John (Prophet) bore record, saying, "I saw the Spirit descending from Heaven like a dove, and He abode on Him.
John 1:33  And I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water, that One said to me, Upon whom you shall see the Spirit descending, and remaining upon Him, He is the One who baptizes with the Holy Spirit."

11. Where is the Prophecy about the coming of Prophet Jesus?

Deu 18:15  (Moses said to the Israelites:) "Jehovah your God will raise up to YOU a Prophet from the midst of YOU of Your Brothers, One like Me (The Levite). To HIM (PROPHET) You shall Listen,
Deu 18:16  according to all that you desired of Jehovah your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying..."

Prophet Moses was a Levite from the tribe of Levi and his brother Aaron was a Levite too.

Num 26:59  And the name of Amram's wife was Jochebed, the daughter of Levi, whom one bore to LEVI in Egypt. And she bore to Amram Aaron and Moses, and Miriam their sister.
(See also 1 Chronicles 23:13-14)

Deu 18:17  And JEHOVAH said to me, "They (Levites - Deu 18:1) have spoken well what they have spoken.
Deu 18:18  I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brothers (Levites), one like you (Levite), and will put My Words in His mouth. And He shall speak to them all that I shall command Him.
Deu 18:19  And it shall happen, whatever man will Not Listen to My Words which He shall speak in My Name (Jehovah), I will require it of him."

12. Did Prophet JESUS confirm that Prophet Moses was speaking of HIM? YES, Prophet JESUS was the Israelite from the tribe of Judah through Joseph and from the tribe of Levi through the bloodline of Mary daughters of Aaron.

John 5:45  "Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you, Moses, in whom you trust.
John 5:46  For if you had believed MOSES, you would have believed Me, for he wrote of Me."

WHEN Prophet Jesus had claimed that Prophet Moses wrote of Him, any other claim over the prophecy shall become invalid as the prophecy is about One Prophet, not 2 Prophets: "I will raise them up A Prophet from among their brothers..."

13. Did Prophet JESUS reject worship and forbid His Apostle to call Him God or Lord?
John 20:28  And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
John 13:13  "You call Me the Teacher, and Lord, and you say well, for I AM."

Mat 14:33  And those (apostles) in the boat came and Worshiped Him, saying, Truly You are the Son of God.
Mat 28:9  But as they were going to report to His disciples, behold, Jesus also met them, saying, Hail! And they came and held Him by the feet and Worshiped Him.

 Mark 5:6  And when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and Worshiped Him,
Mark 5:7  and cried with a loud voice, and said, What is to me and to You, Jesus, son of the Most High God? I adjure You by God not to torment me.

John 9:35  Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and finding him, He said to him, "Do you believe on the Son of God?
John 9:36  And he answered and said, Who is He, Lord, that I might believe on Him?"
John 9:37  And Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him, and it is He who is speaking with you.
John 9:38  And he said, "Lord, I believe. And he Worshiped Him."

14. What is the Meaning for "the Son of God"?
The title of "the Son of God" which means the Spiritual Son of God, a divine title exclusively for Jesus Messiah because Angel Gabriel had announced to Mary before Jesus Messiah came into the world from Heaven (Luke 1:35).

John 10:36  (JESUS said) "Do you say of Him whom the Father has sanctified and sent into the world, 'You blaspheme' Because I said, I AM the Son of God?"
Luke 22:70  And they all said, "Are you then the Son of God?" And He (JESUS) said to them, "You say it, because I AM!"

Because God is so much greater than man, He chooses to express Himself in human terms so that we can understand Him. When Surah 22: 61 says that Allah sees and hears, it does not mean He has ears and eyes. Rather He is expressing a spiritual truth in such a way that we can understand that He is All-knowing. Similarly, behind the title "Son of God" is a spiritual truth expressed in human terms.

The Bible calls a number of people "sons of God" but Jesus is addressed as such in a particular way:

    For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (John 3:16)

The Greek word for "one & only son", "mono-genes", means literally, "one in kind, unique" and has sometimes been incorrectly translated into Enlish as "only begotten". This rendering is wrong because "Mono-genes" is also used in Hebrews 11:17 to describe Isaac as Abraham's "one and only son", namely the one who was promised by God to Abraham and his wife Sarah. (Genesis 15) Since Ishmael too was Abraham's son, but through his servant Hagar (Genesis 16), the term "one and only" distinguishes Isaac as being uinque in his kind but not as the only begotten.

 All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. (Luke 10:22)

Nobody else has ever used such language to speak about himself!
(For more examples see: John 5:22-23, Luke 20:9-19, Matthew 3:17)

Jesus, the Son of God, has come to show us what God is like: No-one has seen God; but God's only Son, He who is nearest to the Father's heart, he has made him known. (John 1:18)

Jesus Christ, the Spiritual Son of God.

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