Saturday, February 23, 2008

Who is the seed of Abraham that shall be called?

KEY VERSE: Genesis 21:12 And God said unto Abraham ... in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.




Isaac is NOT called the SEED..He(Isaac) is The SEED's Pointer..That is what Isaac been CHOSEN FOR ( TO POINT TO THE SEED)..who is Ishmael GEN 21:13


Which verse mentions that Isaac was chosen to point to the seed of Ishmael? When the Issac was chosen, the posterity goes down to Jacob and God still speak to Jacob to confirm the covenant. But there is absolutely no record of God talking to Ishmael and his seed. It is not logical for the chosen race from Isaac (Jews) to point to a Gentile race (Arabs). This is not racist remark but to highlight that bloodline is the end result of the true seed coming from the covenant.


Jesus whom was only sent to Israelites telling about next Covenant/ message taken from them (Israelites) and Given to [A nation.] ..{ Therefore I say unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken away from you and given to a [[NATION]] bringing forth thereof" [Mathew 21:43]}


Please read the words of Lord Jesus in the right context and not quote out of context. The overview of the whole Bible is important to know the truth and not "choose and twist" one or two verses to justify man's interpretation. The Word of God is eternal (Matt 24:35) and He change not (Malachi 3:6). In Matthew 21:43, it was Lord Jesus talking to the Jews about the Kingdom of God and not to the Ishmaelite race. Jesus was talking about a heavenly kingdom (2 Ti 4:18) and not an earthly kingdom.

Mat 21:43

(Jesus said) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you (Jews), and given to a nation (non-Jews) bringing forth the fruits thereof.

The words of Lord Jesus was made clear in the earlier verse that the unbelieving Jews rejected him.

Mat 21:42

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the Scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes?


Lord Jesus is the seed coming from the Bloodline of Isaac and not from Ishmael. Lord Jesus meant that he would establish an eternal Kingdom with the Gentiles (non-Jewish blood) because the unbelieving Jews rejected him as the Messiah. It is not a transfer of rights from the seed that is called nor change from the Kingdom of God to kingdom of man because it is an everlasting covenant. Everlasting means forever and ever.

Gen 17:19

And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an EVERLASTING covenant, and with his seed after him.

God is not a man that he should lie (Number 23:19) by taking away from Isaac's seed and give to Ishmael's seed when God said to Abraham about Isaac "I will establish my covenant with him for an EVERLASTING covenant and with his seed (posterity) after HIM (not to an Ishmaelite)".


What is this "Kingdom of God" that Jesus was talking about?

To know the basic truth about the Kingdom of God, let us listen from the lips of Lord Jesus.

1) That Kingdom of God is the presence of the Spirit of God in a person or a person is in God's presence

Mat 12:28

But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the "kingdom of God" is come unto you.

2) That Kingdom of God is a place where believers can enter

Mat 19:24

And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Mat 21:31

Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

3) That Kingdom of God is entered by believing the Gospel

Mar 1:15 (Jesus) And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

4) That kingdom of God is Heaven and not Hell fire where worm dies not and fire is extremely hot

Mar 9:47

(Jesus said) And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

Mar 9:48

Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

5) Kindgom of God is where child-like faith will come to Lord Jesus

Mar 10:14

But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

6) This Kingdom of God belongs to Lord Jesus and not to Ishmaelite.

Mark 14:24 And he (Jesus) said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament (covenant), which is shed for many.

Mark 14:25

Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I (Jesus) drink it new in the kingdom of God.



THIS WORD [[NATION]] in Matt 21:43 that Promised to Take the Leadership is the Promised Ishmaelite..[[for I (YHWH) will make him ( Ishmael) into a great nation]]


What did Mohammed say about Ishmael's covenant if he were chosen to bring the message to the Ishmaelite nation? Obviously Lord Jesus was talking about the Kingdom of God (Mark 1:15) was near, repent and believe the Gospel, and nothing about kingdom of man nor the Ishmaelite. Yes, God will make Ishmael a great foreign nation (Gentiles or non-Jews) that is a great non-Jewish nation. Gentiles refer to pagan, heathen or people. If you read the covenant carefully that God made with Abraham, it was about a great nation/people and nothing about the promise of land (Gen 17:20 & Gen 21:18). Great Gentile nation is merely great non-Jewish people. So why did the Arabs/Moslems are fighting for land with Israel? It is because Moslems have misunderstood about God's covenant with Abraham which was meant for the younger Isaac and not for Ishmael even though he was elder by 13 years.


(Genesis 17:20, 21:18)..........beacuse ..The contrasting fact that Isaac (Pbuh) was promised to be "nations/ GENTILES" NOT one NATION (Gen. 17:16) crucially means that Ishmael alone ultimately fulfils God's FIRST promise to Abraham in Genesis 12:2, i.e. "..I will make you (Abraham) into a great NATION/Great Gentile..".

This promise was repeated in Genesis 18:18 as "Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him".


Gen 17:5

(God said) Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

No doubt Abraham will be blessed with many nations (not one nation only) and Ishmael will be a great nation/ people. There is no specific promise of land to Ishmael, only Isaac and Jacob were promised to inherit the land. Hence the Jews inherit the promised land of Canaan, now known as Israel. What is the symbolic meaning? It points to Lord Jesus as the chosen seed.

Do you read about land from these 2 verses???

Gen 17:20

And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation (Gentile/ foreign people).

Gen 21:18

Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation/foreign people.


Now Gentiles are not Jews which the forefathers originate from Isaac, Jacob and Joseph. When Jacob died in Egypt, his body was brought back to be buried in the promised land of Canaan

Gen 50:13

For his sons carried him into the land of Canaan, and buried him in the cave of the field of Machpelah, which Abraham bought with the field for a possession of a burial place of Ephron the Hittite, before Mamre.


Where was the body of Ishamel when he died and that of his descendants if they were to inherit the land?


The Isaaianic Covenant Given to Isaac alone and his Blood line Seed in GEN 17:19 ] ....not the Abrahamic one (given to all Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac Gen17:1-10) to be a POINTER to Abraham SEED זרע who is labelled as Ishmael the son of the maidservant ..... is your seed הוא זָרְעֲך ". (Gen. 21:12-13).....And in (your Seed זָרְעֲך = who is Ishmael )shall all the nations of the earth be blessed and [by Him] bless themselves, because you have heard and obeyed My voice Genesis 22:18


In Genesis 17:19 God as speaking to Abraham and not to Isaac, so there is NO Isaac covenant at all! Abrahamic covenant includes 3 aspects namely

1) He would be made father of many nations and kings shall come out of him (Gen 17: 5-7),

2) He and his descendant (seed) would be given all the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession and that Yahweh will be their God (Gen 17:8-9).

3) He and his descendants must be circumcised as a token of the covenant between Yahweh and Abraham (Gen 17:10-11)

There is no indication of pointer to Ishmael except circumcision as

the pre-requisite of the covenant.

Ishmael first fulfilled the circumcision being an elder son but God did not say the one circumcised first shall thy seed be called.

Gen 17:25

And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.

Isaac was circumcised too. Did he not qualify for the covenant?

Gen 21:4

And Abraham circumcised his son Isaac being eight days old, as God had commanded him.

Lord Jesus being a Jew also entered the covenant of Abraham.

Luk 2:21

And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

But Ishmael and mother Hagar were cast out by her master Sarah. So this is the first sign that Ishmael will not inherit the land nor share the inheritance with Isaac because Sarah forbid.

Gen 21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.

Only one descendent, either Isaac or Ishmael will be given the land Gen 17:8 (I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.)

So whoever got the land after the death of Abraham is a clear sign that he is the chosen seed and fulfilment of God's covenant.

All PROPHETS CAME FROM Isaac(including Jesus) Had No roles to people OUT side HOUSE of ISRAEL..BUT they(including JESUS) HAD TO POINT to the Messengers whom is Comming from the SEED of Abraham (Ishmael)..


Quran [3:81-82] Behold! God took the covenant of the prophets, saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you a Messenger (Muhammad), confirming what is with you; do ye believe in him and render him help." God said: "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They (prophets) said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses." If any turn back after this, they are perverted transgressors.


The truth is that there is no indication in the whole Bible from Old Testament/Covenenat to New Testament/ Covenant that points toward the coming messenger from the seed of Ishmael son of Abraham except that the seed is fulfilled by Lord Jesus as true Messiah and Lord of the universe. There is absolutely no record of Bloodline of prophets from Ishmaelite a Gentile race or foreign people. All prophets are from the Bloodline of Levite tribe. Jesus fulfilled every prophecy to the dot and he shall reign with the 12 apostles over the 12 tribes of Israel and Gentiles nation/people for eternity.

Quran was traditionally from a revelation given by an unidentified spirit to Mohammed at Hira cave in Mecca. The spirit said to Mohammed: "

Verily he saw one of the greater revelations of his Lord. Have ye thought upon Al Lat and Al Uzza, and Manat, the third, the other? Are yours the males and His the females? " (Sura 53:18-21)

Question: Asking Muslims to give thoughts to 3 gods or 3 spirits? Is it an idolatry to think of 3 gods?

Did that spirit said "Thus have we appointed unto every Prophet an adversary

DEVILs of humankind and jinn who inspire in one another plausible discourse through guile. If thy Lord willed, they would not do so; so leave them alone with their devising"

Question: Is that spirit a deceiver appoint an adversary Devils of humankind to mislead every prophet? But Lord Jesus did not sin (Hebrew 2:18; 4:15) even though he was tempted in every way (Matthew 4:1, Mark 1:13, Luke 4:2).

Sura 67:5 And verily We have beatified the world's heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for the

DEVILs, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame.

Question: Are stars in the sky considered as lamps or missiles to shoot the Devils? It sounds like legendry.


Anyway, Allah will gather Muslims and Devils bring them to hell crouching around hell (Sura 19:66-70) and that is a destiny for Muslims because "that is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord" (Sura 19:71). Those kept from evil would be pluck out from hell, how many percentage would be pluck out? Is that a reward to be a Muslim so as to end up in hell with no certainty to be saved from hell fire?

Sura 19:68 And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble them (Muslims) and the DEVILs, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell.

Once in hell, there is no return and no way out of it as told by Lord Jesus (Luke 16:26) And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.


But Christians are saved by Lord Jesus who is from Abraham's seed.

Rev 5:9

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou (Jesus) art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation

Christians are followers of Jesus Christ and they are redeemed by the Blood of Jesus shed during His trial and crucifixion on the Cross at calvary.

St Peter has made it clear to all believers.

1Peter 1:18

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation
received by tradition from your fathers;

1Pe 1:19

But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

1Pe 1:20

Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

1Pe 1:21

Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Sura 3:55 ...I will make those who follow thee (Jesus) SUPERIOR to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection (Yusuf Ali)


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