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Sunday, January 17, 2010
HOW IS IT POSSIBLE HE COULD BE TE SON AND THE GOD AT THE SAME TIME, how could he be the Father of himself and the god of himself as well?
You;''HOW IS IT POSSIBLE HE COULD BE TE SON AND THE GOD AT THE SAME TIME, how could he be the Father of himself and the god of himself as well?'' UNQUOTE
JESUS never claim that He is the Father Himself but that He is one equal to His Father.
Listen to JESUS' own words about His equality to His Father:-
JESUS meant "My Father's Hand is the same as My Hand." Hand represents authority and power: John 10:28 JESUS said "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of My Hand. John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of My Father's hand. John 10:30 I and my Father are ONE. (SAME AUTHORITY or NATURE).
Did the Jews misunderstand the words of JESUS? John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods (Elohim)
Joh 10:35 JESUS SAID "If He (GOD) called them gods (Elohim), unto whom the word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken; Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
As regards how can JESUS be the Son and GOD at the same time, it is because GOD is Almighty and can co-exist in 2 different natures both physically and spiritually.
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God (JESUS), who is at the Father's side, he has made him known. (ESV)
John 3:13 JESUS said "And no man hath ascended up to Heaven, but he that came down from Heaven, even the Son of Man which is in Heaven. (KJV)
JESUS related that He came down from Heaven and ascended up to Heaven as the Son of Man is in Heaven even though His Body was on earth. So JESUS can be present at 2 places at the same time both on earth and at the same time in Heaven! Is that my words, no it is the words of JESUS whom He claims to speak for His Father GOD.
QUOTE Ans.Jesus is a man, there was no Jesus before He was born as a man. Christ is GOD and was in Jesus, making Him the Savior/ Lord/ captain of salvation from sin and death. UNQUOTE
Please support your statement with the word of GOD. I can say you are speaking nonsense!
Aramaic Murdock Bible. The Word = Jesus John 1:1 In the beginning, was the Word; and the Word was with God; and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 He (JESUS) was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 Every thing was (created) by his hand; and without him, was not any thing whatever that existed.
KJV John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God. The same was with God in the beginning.
Note: The phrase The Word is Miltha in Aramaic or logos in Greek. This is a progressive revelation of the Godhead and not a mathematical equation as God is a Spirit and neither physical nor mathematical in nature. So it is not right to equate Gods revelation with mans arithmetic in these verses.
The Word is eternal, having been in eternity apart from time, space and matter. The existence of Miltha, translated as The Word is independent of all time, space and matter and is only at its source. But Jesus is the source of the universe which is comprised of time, space and matter. Time, space and matter come into existence only after the creation of the world.
If you are smarter than others, then answer this question about why the Book of Abraham is never found but the Book of Moses is still in existence for over 4,000 years?