Wednesday, January 26, 2011

Debate: Is Muhammad mentioned by Moses and Jesus Christ?

Muslim WTA, I challenge you to bring a verse from the Quran that explicitly says that Muhammad made a claim about Moses wrote about him as what Yah'shua did in the Gospel.

PROOF OF Moses wrote of Yah'shua as claimed by Yah'shua personally. Did Muhammad make any explicit claim on Moses???

John 5:46  (Yah'shua said) "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me."

Luke 24:25  Then JESUS said to them: O deficient in understanding, and slow of heart to believe all the things that the prophets uttered.
Luke 24:26  Were not these things to be; that the Messiah should suffer and that he should enter into his glory?
Luke 24:27  Then he began from MOSES, and from all the prophets, and expounded to them CONCERNING Himself from all the scriptures.

Under the Law of Elohim, the testimony of 2 men shall establish the every word on the matter. As Apostle John heard from Yah'shua that He claimed Mosed wrote about Him and Luke the Disciple also wrote about Yah'shua expounding on the Scriptures beginning from MOSES and from all PROPHETS CONCERNING HIMSELF - YAH'SHUA. It means MUHAMMAD is not mentioned by Yah'shua the Messiah at all.  Can you read "CONCERNING HIMSELF"???


Muslims are asserting that Muhammad was mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel basically derived from the claim in the Quran 7:157. As Muslims accused the Scripture of the earlier Books are corrupted, then what criteria could be able to find truth from a corrupted Book?

Truth cannot be found from any Book or any verse which one like to hear. So to find one or two ambiquous verses and claim it was referring to a later prophet is a nonsensical manoevure which is unconclusive and a bad taste.

Despite the clear assertion by Muhammad that was described in the Torah and the Gospel, Muslims today are ignorant of the fact that the Books were with the People of the Book. If not so, why keep misquoting from the Holy Bible to prove it is corrupt?

It is a merely an open statement which no specific name:
Quran 7:157 (Pickthal) Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them.

First claim is mistaken from Deuteronomy 18:18.

Deut 18:17  And Jehovah said to me, They have spoken well what they have spoken.
Deut 18:18  I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brothers, one like you, and will put My words in His mouth. And He shall speak to them all that I shall command Him.  MKJV


All past prophets from Abraham, Isaac till Paul are from the Hebrew bloodline or from Levites tribe. There is no prophet from any Arabs bloodline. So Muhammad cannot be a brother to the Hebrews when God spoke to Moses the Hebrew from the bloodline of Isaac which is different from the Arabs bloodline from Ishmael.

God has preserved a race of holy bloodline whereby the priests and prophets who come forth to serve Him. Thousands of years of history show that God works along the Jacob's Covenant

Exodus 2:24  And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.

Deu 18:18  I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brothers, one like you, and will put My words in His mouth. And He shall speak to them all that I shall command Him.

"Brethren" or "brothers" means a member of the same bloodline in the covenant and not any brothers of the same forefather Abraham. The Prophet coming from the lineage of Moses the Hebrew is none other than JESUS the Messiah.

"One like you - Moses" is the Prophet who could perform miracles like Moses, a deliverer for his people like Moses and of the same Hebrew bloodline as Moses. Ishmaelite bloodline is a mixed race between Abraham the Hebrew and Egyptian slave woman Hagar.

Moses the Hebrew was born in Egypt and was almost killed due to Pharaoh's command to the Hebrew midwives to kill the male child of Hebrews so that the people would not multiply and became very mighty. (Exodus 1:7-22)

Some Muslims are making nonsensical claim that Abraham was an Arab. But the Holy Bible clearly states that Abram (later God renamed him Abraham) was the Hebrew. The father of Abram was Terah originated from his birthplace in Ur of the Chaldeans. (Genesis 11:27-28)

God's Covenant with Abraham goes along the bloodline of Isaac and not of Ishmael. Although Ishmael was a Hebrew by birth as his father Abraham was the Hebrew, he was a child not born out of promise from God.

Gen 17:19  And God said, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son indeed. And you shall call his name Isaac. And I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

Gen 17:20  And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall father twelve chiefs, and I will make him a great nation.

It was Isaac who was a promised child from Yehovah (YHVH). This is very significant as all the known prophets are of Hebrews bloodline from Isaac to Paul.
Gen 17:21  But I will establish My covenant with Isaac, whom Sarah shall bear to you at this set time in the next year.

1. Abraham was the Hebrew, the first mention of the term Hebrew in the Book of Genesis written around 1,410 B.C.
Genesis 14:13  Then one who had escaped came and told Abram the Hebrew, who was living by the oaks of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol and of Aner. These were allies of Abram.

2. Prophet Moses was a Hebrew
Exo 2:11  One day, when Moses had grown up, he went out to his people and looked on their burdens, and he saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his people.

3. Prophet Jeremiah was a Hebrew
Jer 34:9  that everyone should set free his Hebrew slaves, male and female, so that no one should enslave a Jew, his brother.

4. Prophet Jonah was a Hebrew
Jon 1:9  And he said to them, "I am a Hebrew, and I fear the LORD, the God of heaven, who made the sea and the dry land."

5. Yeshua was a Hebrew or the Jew
Mat 2:2  saying, "Where is he who has been born king of the Jews? For we saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him."
Mark 15:2  And Pilate asked Him, Are you the king of the Jews? And answering He said to him, You say it.

Yah'shua spoke to Paul in Hebrew tongue.
Acts 26:14-15  And all of us falling to the ground, I heard a voice speaking to me and saying in the Hebrew dialect, 'Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.'  And I said, 'Who are you, lord?' And He said, 'I am Jesus whom you persecute.' MKJV

6 Paul was a Hebrew
Acts 21:39  But Paul said, I am a man, a Jew of Tarsus in Cilicia, a citizen of no small city. And I beseech you, allow me to speak to the people.

The first mention of the term Hebrew is found in the Book of Genesis written around 1,410 B.C.
Genesis 14:13  And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram THE HEBREW; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram.

 After the great flood, Noah and his sons' families dwelt in the land of Shinar where they built the Tower of Babel and the mankind was of one language and of one speech (Gen 11:1-5).

It is believed that the one language spoken since the Tower of Babel is Hebrew as the first mention of the term "Hebrew" appeared in Genesis 14:13 for "Abram the Hebrew" and not an Arabic language. Moreover the oldest Book of Genesis was written in Hebrew language.

Then God confused their language so that they cannot understand one another's speech and scattered them upon the whole earth (Gen 11:6-9). Abram and his father Terah dwelt in a city of Ur of the Chaldeans (Gen 11:27).

The Hebrew Bible (Genesis 11:31, 12:4-5) identifies a place called Haran, where Abram and his wife Sarai, his father Terah, and his brother's son Lot halted on their way from Ur of the Chaldeans to Canaan.

Some scholars identify the Biblical Haran with Harran. Genesis 27:43 makes Haran the home of Laban and connects it with Isaac and Jacob: Jacob spent 20 years in Haran working for his uncle Laban (cf. Genesis 31:38 &41).

However, the place-name should not be confused with the similar name "Haran", Abraham's brother and Lot's father — note that the two names are spelled differently in the original Hebrew.

As the Book of Genesis was written in Hebrew around 1,410 B.C. as the oldest historical record, the ethnic origin of Abraham was the Hebrew (Gen 14:13) and not of Arabs origin.

Arabs came from Ishmaelite descendants who are from mixed blood between Abraham the Hebrew and Hagar the Egyptian handmaid of Sarah. Ishmael was a Hebrew by birth but not of pure Hebrew blood.

Both Isaac and Jacob did not intermarry foreign daughters in Canaan in order to preserve a holy Hebrews race. Abraham gave the commandment on forbidding Isaac to take daughters of the Canaanites (Gen 24:3-4) and Isaac gave a similar order to Jacob (Gen 28:1-2)

Gen 24:3  And I will make you swear by Jehovah, the God of Heaven and the God of the earth, that you shall not take a wife to my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell.
Gen 24:4  But you shall go to my country and to my kindred, and take a wife to my son Isaac.

Gen 28:1  And Isaac called Jacob, and blessed him, and commanded him. And he said to him, You shall not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan.
Gen 28:2  Arise, go to Padan-aram, to the house of Bethuel your mother's father. And take a wife from there of the daughters of Laban your mother's brother.

Arabs are the descendants of mixed blood of Hebrew Esau and Ishmael (half Hebrew & half Egyptian).
Gen 28:9  "then Esau went to Ishmael, and took Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael, Abraham's son, the sister of Nebajoth, to the wives which he had for his wife.

One may argue that the everlasting covenant of God should follow Esau as the firstborn. But he sold his birthright to Jacob for bread and soup of lentils. Gen 25:33 "And Jacob said, 'Swear to me this day.' And he swore to him, and he sold his birthright to Jacob.

Samaritans are subgroup of the Israelites that remained in the Land of Israel "married Assyrian and female exiles relocated from other conquered lands, that took place during 734 BC to 712 BC. In other words Samaritans are mixed race of half Hebrew and half foreigners.

While Jacob was on his way to his mother's brother Laban in Haran, God spoke to him.
Gen 28:14 [God said to Jacob] "And your seed shall be like the dust of the earth, and you shall spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south. And in you and in your Seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

God Yehovah had commanded a "holy nation" of pure Hebrew blood to serve him as priests and prophets.

Exo 19:5  [God said to Moses] And now if you will obey My voice indeed, and keep My covenant, then you shall be a peculiar treasure to Me above all the nations; for all the earth is Mine.

Exo 19:6  [God said to Moses] "And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a Holy Nation. These are the words which you shall speak to the sons of Israel.

1Pet 2:9  [Speaking of the Christians] "But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a Holy Nation, a people for possession, so that you might speak of the praises of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light

Moses was a Hebrew from a Levite tribe.
Exo 2:1  And there went a man of the house of Levi, and took to wife a daughter of Levi.

Exo 2:2  And the woman conceived, and bore a son: and when she saw him that he was a goodly child, she hid him three months.
Exo 2:3  And when she could not longer hide him, she took for him an ark of bulrushes, and daubed it with slime and with pitch, and put the child therein; and she laid it in the flags by the river's brink.

Exo 2:9  And Pharaoh's daughter said unto her, Take this child away, and nurse it for me, and I will give thee thy wages. And the woman took the child, and nursed it.
Exo 2:10  And the child grew, and she brought him unto Pharaoh's daughter, and he became her son. And she called his name Moses: and she said, Because I drew him out of the water.

Jesus was born in Bethlehem and was almost killed by King Herod. So Joseph and Mary brought the child Jesus to seek refuge in Egypt.

Mat 2:13  And when they were gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, and said to him, Arise, take the child and his mother, and flee into Egypt; and be thou there, until I tell thee: for Herod will seek for the child, to destroy it.
Mat 2:14  Then Joseph arose, took the child and his mother, by night, and fled to Egypt.

Comments: Both Moses and Jesus are identical in their childhood experience, identical in their ministry and performed many miracles in their life. Muhammad did not come from the Levite tribe and not considered "brother" of Moses who was a Hebrew.

Abraham a Hebrew
Gen 14:13  And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew...(KJV)

Moses a Hebrew
Gen 39:14  That she called unto the men of her house, and spoke unto them, saying, See, he hath brought in a Hebrew unto us to mock us; he came in unto me to lie with me, and I cried with a loud voice

Jesus was a Jew and King of the Jews. Hebrew is a language.
John 19:19  And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.
John 19:20  This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.

Hebrew is not a nationality as there is no known nation of the Hebrews.  The origin of the term Hebrew itself, could be derived from the word Eber, or ever, a Hebrew word meaning the "other side" and conceivably referring to patriarch Abraham, who crossed into the land of Canaan from the "other side" of the Euphrates or Jordan rivers.

Hebrews are known as the ancestors of the Israelites, who used the Hebrew language. Israelites were the writers of the Hebrew Bible. They are also the theological and historical ancestors of the Jews.

In the Bible and in current language, the word Hebrews is often used as a synonym for Israelites, and sometimes for the users of the Hebrew language.

The first mention of the term "JEW" is in the Book of Esther written around 471 B.C.
Est 2:5  Now in Shushan the palace there was a certain Jew, whose name was Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite

Exo 7:1  And Jehovah said to Moses, See, I have made you a God (Hebrew is Elohim) to Pharaoh. And Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.

John 10:33  The Jews answered Him, saying, We do not stone you for a good work, but for blasphemy, and because you, being a Man, make yourself God. [Hebrew is Elohim]

In conclusion: Deut 18:18 is talking about a prophet from the Levite lineage like Moses who was made like Elohim to Pharaoh with many miracles. Only Jesus the Messiah fits the prophecy of Moses. So Muhammad is definitely far from this prophecy.


John 14:26  [Yeshua said] "But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.  MKJV

Was Muhammad called the Paraclete or the Comforter?
Yeshua said the Comforter will come in His Name while Muhammad proclaimed to come in the name of Allah. The Comforter in the context of John 14:26 is the Spirit of God.

But Muhammad never claim "I am the Paraclete of Allah". Should his people ask him about the Spirit, what would he say? Muhammad did not admit he was the one "I am" but say in Surah 17:85 that the Spirit is by the command of my Lord which shows he denied it was him.

Surah 17:85 Yusuf Ali
They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: "The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)"

Surah 17:85 Pickthal
They are asking thee concerning the Spirit. Say: The Spirit is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been vouchsafed but little.

Last but least the Comforter who come after Yeshua is proven to be the Holy Spirit which Prophet Paul, the last Hebrew Prophet chosen by Yeshua spoke much about Him. Hence it is concluded that the claim that Muhammad was described in a Torah or the Gospel is never a reality but a conjecture!!!

MOSES speaking to Lord Jesus Christ and Lord Jesus Christ was speaking about him. Did Muhammad ever seen Moses and Jesus???

Mark 9:2  And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
Mar 9:3  And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
Mar 9:4  And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
Mar 9:5  And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

Moses and Elijah are 2 witnesses for appointing Lord Jesus Christ as the Prophet spoken of in Deut 18:18. Did the Apostle of Jesus ever claim the prophecy of Deut 18:18? YES.  Did Lord Jesus Christ claim that Moses was speaking about Him? YES.

Luke 24:44  And He (Jesus) said unto them, "These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning Me."

 Acts 3:22  For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Acts 3:25  Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed (singular) shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Acts 3:26  Unto you first God, having raised up His Son Jesus, sent Him (singular) to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Did Muhammad was speaking about Moses talking about his coming??? NO! Muhammad has NO Part in the salvation plan of God. John 4:22 (Jesus said) "Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: For salvation is of the JEWS." Is Muhammad a JEW???

Face-to-Face: This is a term for Angel of YHVH God speaking to a man.

Jdg 6:22  And when Gideon perceived that he was an angel of the LORD, Gideon said, Alas, O Lord GOD! for because I have seen an angel of the LORD face to face.

JESUS was talking Eye-to-Eye with GOD:
John 8:38  I speak that which I have SEEN with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

The Spirit of the Father is in Jesus and the Spirit of Jesus is in Him; God the Father is speaking through Jesus:
John 14:10  Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 1:18  No man hath ever seen God; the Only begotten God, He who is in the bosom of his Father, he hath declared [him]. (Murdock)

Lord Jesus works whatever His Father works.
John 5:17  But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

Lord Jesus does whatever He SEES His Father do:
John 5:19  Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what He seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Lord Jesus raises the Dead as He sees His Father raised up the Dead
John 5:21  For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom He will.

Lord Jesus Christ should be honoured by All men even as they honour the Father; as the Father is honoured by worship likewise the Son is accorded with the same honour.
John 5:23  That all men should honour the Son, Even As they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

The Word of Jesus is the Word of God:
John 5:24  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from Death unto Life.

Lord Jesus is the Chief Judge of the whole world because He is qualified as the Son of Man.
John 5:27  And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Lord Jesus has life in Himself even as His Father has life in Himself.
John 5:26  For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself

Lord Jesus proceeded forth and came out of God; He was sent by His Father and was not created by God:
John 8:42  Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43  Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Lord Jesus Christ spoke of the Jews who belived in One YHVH God as the father of the Devil because they refused to believe in His words. So Muslims who refused to believe in the words of Jesus are of the father of the Devil too!
John 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Joh 8:45  And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
Joh 8:46  Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
Joh 8:47  He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are Not of God.

Moses spoke about Jesus as He was saying:
John 5:45  Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
John 5:46  For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of Me.
John 5:47  But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Moses wrote about Jesus as He was a brother of the same race the Hebrews and of the same tribe the Levites.
Deu 18:15  Jehovah your God will raise up to you a Prophet from the midst of you, of your brothers, One like me. To Him you shall listen

Deu 18:18  I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brothers, one like you, and will put My words in His mouth. And He shall speak to them all that I shall command Him.

Lord Jesus speaks whatever His Father speaks
John 12:50  And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Moses was a Levite (Exodus 2:1), son of Amram and Jochebed (Exodus 6:20), brother of Aaron and Miriam (1 Chronicles 6:3). The descendants of Aaron, who was the first kohen gadol, high priest, of Judaism, were designated as the priestly class, the kohanim.

Lord Jesus Christ came through virgin Mary daughters of the Aaron. Only the descendants of Aaron were designated by Yehovah God as the priests forever.
Deu 18:5  For Jehovah your God has chosen him out of all your tribes, to stand to minister in the name of Jehovah, him and his sons forever.

Because Yehovah God was speaking through Moses as  one from the holy race of Israel, "one of your brothers like me" can NEVER mean he is from any unholy race nor from the mixed blood race of Ishmael son of slavewoman Hagar and Esau son of Isaac who sold his birthright to Jacob.

1) Moses was made a God to Pharoah

Exodus 7:1  And Jehovah said to Moses, See, I have made you a God (Elohim in Hebrew) to Pharaoh. And Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.

2) Jesus was made a God to the Nation of Israel

John 10:36  Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God (El)?
John 10:33  The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God (Elohim).
John 10:34  Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are Gods (Elohim)?

Conclusion: Deut 18:18 is not talking about Arabs Messiah but a Hebrew Messiah.

Luke 24:25  Then JESUS said to them: O deficient in understanding, and slow of heart to believe all the things that the prophets uttered.
Luke 24:26  Were not these things to be; that the Messiah should suffer and that he should enter into his glory?
Luke 24:27  Then he began from MOSES, and from all the prophets, and expounded to them concerning Himself (Yah'shua) from all the scriptures.

Yah'shua (Jesus) made an explicit claim about ALL PROPHETS spoke CONCERNING HIMSELF (Yah'shua) and not any one else. Muhammad is thrown out by Yah'sua by virtue of Luke 24:27.

HalleluYah, Yah'shua the Messiah has explicitly claimed OWNERSHIP of ALL PROPHETS Spoke about HIMSELF (Yah'shua) and not any other name called Muhammad. Muslims are merely usurpers contradicting with the words of Yah'shua Messiah.

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