Showing posts with label satan. Show all posts
Showing posts with label satan. Show all posts

Saturday, February 23, 2008

Is Evil within Paul the same as the Devil within ?

A Muslim wrote:

Plus the TWO sweet Verses (Sura 19:83 and Sura 59:16). Talk and Teach us about people like paul (whom Always be possesd by the Demon if not being demon by himself) ..who said { Evil is Present Within me} ROM 7:21

Rebuttal

You are so ignorance about the difference between evil and devil. Evil = sin whereas Devil = Satan. Evil is not the same as devil.

Romans 7:19-20 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Romans 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil (Greek "kakos" for bad, evil, worthless) is present with me.

Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man

Saint Paul was talking about the fallen nature of man, the old Adam within him which he struggled within to do good while he delighted in God's law.

Now the Greek word for devil is "diabolos" and it is obvious different from "kakos".

1John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil (Greek "diabolos" for Satan, devil, false accuser); for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Saint Paul declared Jesus as his Lord which means Master.

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Saint Paul had the Holy Spirit of God because He confessed Jesus as Lord.

Act 9:29 And he (Paul) spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians: but they went about to slay him.

2Co 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed forevermore, knoweth that I lie not.

1Ti 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

Can anyone call Jesus Lord without the Holy Spirit? Try it yourself and see you can do it saying "Jesus is my Lord". Obviously one cannot open the mouth to confess Jesus as Lord without the help of the Holy Spirit. I had tried before and it was real difficult. Now I can do so freely with the help of the Holy Spirit indeed.

Angel of God also called Jesus as the Lord. It is therefore not an exaltation of Paul alone to address Jesus as the Lord:-
And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord (Greek "kurios" for God, Lord, Master) lay. (Matthew 28-5-6)


What is law and sin? There is no sin without the law.

James 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
1John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1John 3:5 And ye know that he (Jesus) was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
James 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Lord Jesus is sinless and able to take away the sins of the whole world. Believe in Jesus that He died for your sins without which there is no redeemer.

Is Hell the decree for Muslims?

Is Hell the decree for Muslims? It sounds harsh and rude for first time listeners. But let's examine the Quran to find out in truth.

Key Verse: Sura 19:68 And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble them (Muslims) and the DEVILs, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell.

Let's examine whether the element of mockery is the reason for Allah to assemble them (Muslims) and the Devils together and bring them, crouching, around hell. Retracing to earlier verse at Sura 19:65
Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them! Therefor, worship thou Him and be thou steadfast in His service. Knowest thou one that can be named along with Him? And man saith: When I am dead, shall I forsooth be brought forth alive? (Sura 19:66)

As this is an important truth to know where is the destiny for Muslims, let us quote from 3 witnesses or translators to establish the truth of the interpretation of the Quran. Two witnesses is sufficient to comply with the Mosaic law (Matthew 18:16) and 3 witnesses shall be settled it once and for all.


Examine Sura 19:65-66
Khalifa: The Lord of the heavens and the earth, and everything between them; you shall worship Him and steadfastly persevere in worshiping Him. Do you know of anyone who equals Him? The human being asks, "After I die, do I come back to life?"

Yusuf Ali: Lord of the heavens and of the earth, and of all that is between them; so worship Him, and be constant and patient in His worship: knowest thou of any who is worthy of the same Name as He?" Man says: "What! When I am dead, shall I then be raised up alive?"

Pickthal: "Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them! Therefor, worship thou Him and be thou steadfast in His service. Knowest thou one that can be named along with Him ? And man saith: When I am dead, shall I forsooth be brought forth alive ?

Comments: He worshipped the Lord of the heavens and the earth implies he is a Muslim. And he inquired about the resurrection of the dead.

Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. (Matthew 22:29-32)

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? (John 11:25-26)

Examine the context of Sura 19:67-68

Allah said to Muslim
Khalifa: Did the human being forget that we created him already, and he was nothing? By your Lord, we will certainly summon them (Muslims), together with the devils, and will gather them around Hell, humiliated.

Yusuf Ali: But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing? So, by thy Lord, without doubt, We shall gather them together, and (also) the Evil Ones (with them); then shall We bring them forth on their knees round about Hell;

Pickthal: Doth not man remember that We created him before, when he was naught ? And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble them (Muslims) and the devils, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell.

Some shall be plucked out or abruptly pulled out from group and thrown to burn in Hell? Who are there?

Examine the context of Sura 19:69-70
Khalifa: Then we will pick out from each group the most ardent opponent of the Most Gracious. We know full well those who are most deserving of burning therein.

Yusuf Ali: Then shall We certainly drag out from every sect all those who were worst in obstinate rebellion against (God) Most Gracious. And certainly We know best those who are most worthy of being burned therein.

Pickthal: Then We shall pluck out from every sect whichever of them was most stubborn in rebellion to the Beneficent. And surely We are Best Aware of those most worthy to be burned therein.

Comments: Did you read it correctly? Those most rebellious against the Most Gracious God shall be plucked out from the group and thrown to be burned in Hell.

Is it a destiny for good Muslims to go to Hell? Yes, all of the Muslims for it is Allah's decree.
Sura 19:71
Khalifa: Every single one of you must see it; this is an irrevocable decision of your Lord.

Yusuf Ali: Not one of you but will pass over it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished.

Pickthal: There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord.
Is the reason of mockery brought Muslims to Hell? No, it is Allah's decree to enter Hell. Then who shall be spared from burning in Hell?

Sura 19:72
Khalifa: Then we rescue the righteous, and leave the transgressors in it, humiliated.
Yusuf Ali: But We shall save those who guarded against evil, and We shall leave the wrong-doers therein, (humbled) to their knees.
Pickthal: Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there.

The righteous shall be plucked out from Hell and trangressors are left behind. The Scripture says the most rebellious against God are trangressors which Sura 19:72 says they would be left crouching in Hell. Only the most rebellious against God will be thrown to be burned therein (Sura 19:69).

For Yahweh God said
1Samuel 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Joshua 1:18 Whosoever he be that doth rebel against thy commandment, and will not hearken unto thy words in all that thou commandest him, he shall be put to death: only be strong and of a good courage.

Joshua 22:29 God forbid that we should rebel against the LORD


Jesus said the trangressors are thrown into the lake of burning fire and not just crouching around in Hell:-
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Rev 21:7-8)

Rev 20:15 (God said) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Rev 22:15 For without are dogs (unbelieving, abominable, contemptible, apostate, trangressors), and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Question: How many could be pluck out from Hell? None, as it is impossible to get out of Hell. Listen to the words of Prophet Jesus before it.

Quran was traditionally from a revelation given by an unidentified spirit to Mohammed at Hira cave in Mecca. The spirit said to Mohammed: "Verily he saw one of the greater revelations of his Lord. Have ye thought upon Al Lat and Al Uzza, and Manat, the third, the other? Are yours the males and His the females? " (Sura 53:18-21)

Question: Asking Muslims to give thoughts to 3 gods or 3 spirits? Is it an idolatry to think of 3 gods?


Did that spirit say "Thus have we appointed unto every Prophet an adversary DEVILs of humankind and jinn who inspire in one another plausible discourse through guile. If thy Lord willed, they would not do so; so leave them alone with their devising"

Question: Is that spirit a deceiver who appoint an adversary Devils of humankind to mislead every prophet?

But Lord Jesus did not sin (Hebrew 2:18; 4:15) even though he was tempted in every way (Matthew 4:1, Mark 1:13, Luke 4:2).

Sura 67:5 And verily We have beatified the world's heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for the DEVILs, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame.

Question: Are stars in the sky considered as lamps or missiles to shoot the Devils? It sounds like devils can be shot down.


Nevertheless, Allah will gather Muslims and Devils together and bring them, crouching around hell (Sura 19:66-70) and that is a destiny for Muslims because "that is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord" (Sura 19:71).

Is that a reward to be a Muslim so as to end up in hell with no certainty to be saved from hell fire?

Once in hell, there is no return and no way out of it as told by Lord Jesus (Luke 16:26) And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

But Christians are saved by Lord Jesus who is from Abraham's seed.
Sura 3:55 ...I will make those who follow thee (Jesus) SUPERIOR to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection (Yusuf Ali)

Quran was revealed later than the Holy Bible by at least 540 years. As Quran confirms that the Scripture was revealed in truth, then Bible is the final authority. Quran recognises the Holy Bible as a Book of final authority.

Sura 10:94 And if thou (Mohammed/Muslim) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those (Christians) who read the Scripture (Bible that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers. (Pickthal Translation)

Moreover, Quran says it is CONFIRMING and not CORRECTING the Holy Bible so those who claims Bible is corrupt are liars and not believing in Quran.

Sura 2:41 And believe in that which I reveal, CONFIRMING that which ye possess already (of the Scripture), and be not first to disbelieve therein, and part not with My revelations for a trifling price, and keep your duty unto Me.

Sura 3:3 He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, CONFIRMING that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel

Sura 5:46 And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, CONFIRMING that which was (revealed) before him, and We bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance and a light, CONFIRMING that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off (evil).

Allah will watch over the Scripture revealed before Quran, to keep if from corruption
Sura 5:48 And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, CONFIRMING whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it.

Read the Holy Bible with an open mind and read from page to page to determine the overview of the words from Lord Jesus. Do not believe in those who disbelieve about the Gospel for it is the power of God for salvation of the Gentiles - to be saved from the hell fire.

Saint Paul said: For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written. The just shall live by faith. (Romans 1:16-17)


May God open the eyes of understanding of those who truly seek for the truth, nothing but the truth in the name of Jesus my Lord. Amen.